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Old 17th September 2020, 07:33 PM   #91
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ground stack


flying pa and yes there is a difference in scale



then there's also
here flying and ground stacks are combined, all are different in what they deliver.
Hey turk 182

One of my references was exactly like the flying PA in a similar looking place, but the others, such as the one at the beach I mentioned was just a big speaker on a big stand, nothing as elaborate as the ones you show
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Old 17th September 2020, 07:41 PM   #92
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something just occurred to me have you looked into "track thickening techniques" but in this case you would be using it on a master to replicate your "PA sound"?


even a basic recording package like Soundforge would allow you to do that.

Well, as I understand it thickening means adding more to the sound then it already has, to go from thin to thick, when what I'm trying to do really is remove what I feel there's too much of...

In a way I'm trying to de-thicken music to it's "bare components", which I can then make louder again giving a much cleaner, lively perception of the music.

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Old 17th September 2020, 07:43 PM   #93
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It's multiband adjustable, but as I said, I find the Drum Kit preset perfect for toning up the drums on "thin" old vinyl tracks.

In the sample music clip, I heard a marked difference with Mark's compressor settings - less boominess (w/ dual x 6" BR sub cab: -3dB c. 31 Hz, 200W RMS continuous/8 ohms) AND you can hear a pronounced midrange "slap" of the drum head.
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Old 17th September 2020, 10:14 PM   #94
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Hey megamond

Yes, I did find that in many cases this muffled aspect was around 200hz, but get into the trouble of removing too much of the musical content in order to fix it. This would be much easier to solve if I had access to the mix with separate tracks. I'm also trying to find which plugin corrects this bloatedness without smearing transients and removing too much or generating this pressure I feel with most eqs...

Still, it's one of the aspects, the other main one being issues below 60hz*.

I'm experimenting now with dereverberation, to try and get more of the direct sound

It's a combination of a lot of things

Thanks for the help!
Hence, room treatment in Studios - I've actually worked in a (Surround Sound) MCR with a lot of treatment like an anechoic chamber.

The midbass also allows your ear to locate sound, as opposed to sub 100 Hz - re the "behind" the speaker remark.

*I note that the drums on the Dua Lipa clip are definitely > 50 Hz (with reason, I'm sure) whereas the keyboard hits notes as low as 31 Hz fundamental frequency.

Hopefully, you'll get there with a plugin to your satisfaction.
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Old 17th September 2020, 10:58 PM   #95
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turk 182 Click the image to open in full size.ground stack


Click the image to open in full size.flying pa and yes there is a difference in scale



then there's also
Click the image to open in full size.here flying and ground stacks are combined, all are different in what they deliver.
Good examples, here´s just one more

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it would be awesome to own a suitably equipped DeLorean and go back and catch a Grateful Dead show with the Wall O' Sound just to compare that to what modern PA sounds like...
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Well, as I understand it thickening means adding more to the sound then it already has, to go from thin to thick, when what I'm trying to do really is remove what I feel there's too much of...

it can be used to remove content.


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In a way I'm trying to de-thicken music to it's "bare components", which I can then make louder again giving a much cleaner, lively perception of the music.

ok i get you, i get the same way looking at certain paintings...
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Hopefully, you'll get there with a plugin to your satisfaction.
A YouTube suggestion, but some may achieve your aim, OP.

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