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Old 7th May 2019, 12:15 PM   #21
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Yes, it would work. The OP might not be aware that the fanes struggle a bit when driven with boosted bass (doppler distortion as mentioned previously). 2 smaller sealed boxes for the fanes and a small ported sub for < 100hz wouldn't take up much more space and would sound better, without necessarily requiring more power to drive (since the bass boost to compensate for the inefficiency at bottom end of the fanes will draw a lot more power).
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Old 7th May 2019, 01:37 PM   #22
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Damo, I know a lot about the 15-300TC, strengths and weaknesses, if there was such a thing as a FC152 fan club, I would be the founder. I got some of the very first units, have tried them out in several ways, and they sound great as long as you have a decent DSP and all that, not disagreeing with anything you say, really, it's just pointless, sort of feels like "choir preaching to the priest" kinda thing.

Sonce, you are still missing the mark a bit, I do have the Fane 15-300TC AT HOME (well, actually now they are in storage with together with my 4 x 15" bass boxes because I am moving house, but yeah).
This is a thread for what to bring with me, in my suitcase, TO BALI. Because of so many reasons I've already posted.

Now, the debate of 12-25TC vs 15-300TC can finally be laid to rest, because my in-law thought that making a couple 250 liter boxes for the 15" was a bit much. And I understand that perfectly, most of the moving stuff around down there is done on scooters, so it's much easier to move a couple ca 120 liter boxes than the bigger ones.

The 12-250TC smaller size and cost also allow me to consider cheap but useable amps like for instance the Behringer A800, it supports both balanced and unbalanced in, and can use both speakon and regular cables on screw terminals. Not the lightest of amps, but at under 3.5kg it's not too bad. Add in a couple of grills, and things start shaping up.

I am also considering the Yamaha AG03 or AG06 as sources, since that would open up for using the setup in many different settings/scenarios. I can bring a mike or two and some cables, they have some guitars and whatnot down there, phones can be connected, and it seems the units can run without computer as a regular mini-mixer.

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Old 7th May 2019, 02:17 PM   #23
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Lots of places in Jakarta to buy inexpensive electronics and speakers, ( take the bus from Bali)
you have a tall wish list with a tiny budget
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Old 7th May 2019, 03:09 PM   #24
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... Are you *seriously* telling me to travel 1186km to the traffic hell in Jakarta, by a non-existant bus company, waste a couple of days chasing rainbows in exhaust fumes, then travel 1186km back again, on a still non-existant bus company, on roads made before the ruler was invented, in my vacation?
It will consume probably a week of my time, with all the poor roads and maintenance work, if I can get someone to drive me there!
I will have to pay for hotels and food etc.... *Does not compute*

I thought BC was where they had all the hard hitting weed, now you got me wondering what on earth are you guys smoking in Toronto?

No offense man, just sayin'.
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Old 7th May 2019, 03:12 PM   #25
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Nothing is set in stone, or this thread would not exist, but so far it seems that a pair of either the Fane 12-250TC or the 15-300TC + a TPA3255 will give most output per amount of money in relation to weight. ............................... I am open for other suggestions and/or constructive criticism, as long as these factors are taken into account:
1. Limited total weight of components.
2. Limited physical volume of components. (In my bag with clothes etc.)
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4. Limited budget. (I will have to bring other hard to get items as well, I am not rich.)
Comsider this just a real world example.
I manufacture my own speakers, I mean the real drivers, not just the cabinets as 99.999% of people, live in Argentina and regularly travel to Brazil, where my stuff is well regarded, in the Rock/Guitar amp realm.
So every time I travel there, I carry something to sell, which either offsets expenses or fully pays for my plane ticket.

I try to meet airline allowed weight and size constraints, so itīs either a couple 300W Bass heads or 4 x 12" Guitar speakers .

I do not put them "inside my bags" but they *are* my bags.
I wrap each of them in thick plastic film and thermoseal them, mainly to avoid something pushing in through frame spokes, put them face down inside each cardboard box and pack it tightly with clothes, period, which to boot protect them ... why waste space on styrofoam?

So my total luggage count in this case is 4 speaker boxes half filled with clothing plus a medium sized backpack containing essentials, including camera, notebook, chargers, etc.

Yours truly at Sao Paulo, Brazil airport, waiting for some Musician friends to pick me up.
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Not telling you that you *only* travel with cardboard boxes and nothing else, but you can pack contents from at least one suitcase in them ... plus speakers themselves and a couple power amp and smps PCBs.
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Old 7th May 2019, 03:23 PM   #26
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Thank you so much!
That is wonderful advice!

And you also instantly boosted the thread quality by posting a picture, and you even managed to get yourself in the frame, that is rare for us electronics people.
I have been thinking about this, but my wife wants to bring some hard to get things back to Norway as well, I will see what can be done, maybe roll a bag tight and wedge it between some gear or something.

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You got me curious, do you have any pictures of the speaker drivers?
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Old 7th May 2019, 03:33 PM   #27
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I do have the Fane 15-300TC AT HOME
Well, that was not clear from your previous posts (or my English is not as good as I imagine).

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Now, the debate of 12-25TC vs 15-300TC can finally be laid to rest, because my in-law thought that making a couple 250 liter boxes for the 15" was a bit much.
So, we are back to my first advice - smaller box with 12-250TC. Maximum SPL is about the same as 15-300TC.

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I am also considering the Yamaha AG03 or AG06 as sources,
Yes, that will be OK.

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the fanes struggle a bit when driven with boosted bass (doppler distortion as mentioned previously).
That is why I recommend boosting only at the tuning frequency, where woofer cone is at minimum motion, so there will be no more doppler distortion than usual.
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Old 7th May 2019, 03:53 PM   #28
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So, we are back to my first advice - smaller box with 12-250TC. Maximum SPL is about the same as 15-300TC.
Actually, it's about 5db less with max 100w input. The 15" moves more air.
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Old 7th May 2019, 04:12 PM   #29
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The inuke/nx series get more power than the A800 and DSP for similar prices if your willing to buy used.
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That is true, but power is not a concern.

Nevertheless, let us look at the factors involved:
The NX1000D has DSP, but it is noisy! Only balanced in and Speakon out.
The A800 has no fan = silent operation, and it has balanced + unbalanced inputs and Speakon + screw terminals for backup.

If someone manages to screw up and break stuff, I see value in the seemingly redundant connectivity options of the A800, as well as less chance of failure should something happen to the fan and some failsafe circuit on the NX1000D engages.
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