Need to correct myself: Real power is not exactly what you get billed - it is Real Power integrated by time of course.
Chris, would be nice if you could get 2 ~1000W rated subs (doesn't matter if 15 or 18") and 2 x 12 or 15" 2 or 3-way speakers from 110Hz and up. Give the quartet some "workout exercise" and report back the Power Config values.
Chris, would be nice if you could get 2 ~1000W rated subs (doesn't matter if 15 or 18") and 2 x 12 or 15" 2 or 3-way speakers from 110Hz and up. Give the quartet some "workout exercise" and report back the Power Config values.
X4 gives you more power, and is best used with a 3-phase mains supply. It's also around 2x the cost of a T604, and is a physically larger (deeper) amp.
I have a few 12" 2-way boxes, and 8x subs loaded with Faital Pro 15HP1060.
I can do Ch1/2 for main L/R, and bridge Ch3/4 into a pair of the subs in parallel. Sound good?
Chris
Sure, no problem. No guarantees on timescales, but if nothing else I'll set the cabinets up face-to-face and reversed polarity to cancel most of the noise.
Armonia Plus will let you run huge outdoor concerts, but there are shortcuts for DIYers like us. Once you've added your amplifier, click the little pointer icon near the bottom left, and then double-click the amplifer. That lets you get to all the settings of just that amplifier.
You'll find there's basically unlimited processing in there.
Chris
Armonia Plus will let you run huge outdoor concerts, but there are shortcuts for DIYers like us. Once you've added your amplifier, click the little pointer icon near the bottom left, and then double-click the amplifer. That lets you get to all the settings of just that amplifier.
You'll find there's basically unlimited processing in there.
Chris
Empty cans & gallons of worms, all over the floor !!!
I recently went through this, looking for new speakers for my rock band. (to use with subs, of course.)
My old speakers were 2-way concentric: Tannoy T300's. I can honestly say that, within maybe 20 feet, I've never heard a better live speaker. Just astonishingly good. However, I found that at larger distances, even just to the back of a smaliish club, the low-mids would not make the trip, and that kills both rock vocals and power guitar chords..
This was likely due to two different factors:
1: One single 12" on each side is just not enough cone area. (many sound guys feel the same way about the otherwise excellent Danley SM80)
2: Lack of dispersion control below the ~ 2K crossover.
Also, while I loved these speakers for overall use, they were a little too "polite" for a rock band. I wanted something with a more commanding midrange.
2-way 15's just don't work, for several reasons.
So, pretty much everyone here sold me on the idea of 3-way boxes. (Thanks, Chris ! ) - but I also needed something I can set up on my own, for solo gigs. That's some trick. I also wanted around 90º horizontal dispersion, and a tight vertical dispersion. I don't care if they' active or passive, as long as thepassive boxes have high end processors.
And last, I wanted a fairly large HF exit, as this supposedly works better for rock vocals.
The ones I was considering:
Fulcrum Audio FA22ac (or it's cheap, import "copy", the PresSonus 328AI)
JTR NOESIS 3tX
JTR Triple 12x.
dB Tech FLEXSYS F315
EAW KF394 (Active or passive)
EV QRx153/75
QSC HPR153i
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There are others out there, but these most closely met all my criteria, except the dB Tech as it has a 1" exit, but it's a good speaker so I listed it anyway.
My first choice was, and still is, the Fulcrum. - But the price tag is STEEP. About the same as the active KF39's.
Then I got lucky, and a pristine pair of passive EAW 394's came up on Ebay for a great price. I already had three Lab Gruppen amps, so this was a no-brainer.
I picked up a new UX3600 processor, and am using that like a drive rack for my whole system, plus it has the "greybox" gunness focusing for the tops.
Oh baby, I LIKE these boxes ! They are not nearly as sweet and "hi fi" as my old Tannoys, but they have much better midrange presence, and the pattern control is fantastic, all the way down to about 400 Hz. The amount of upper bass coming out of those two tens (per side) is really surprising, and the BMS coaxial's reputation exists for a reason.
AND THEY WEIGH LESS THAN 70 LBS !
If you can find these used, jump. You could also probably make your own, sans the gunness focusing. I could provide internal pics if anyone is interested.
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Oh, and FWIW, if you are intent on using Dante, (I wouldn't be) then you can get the new EAW UX48 processor, which has Dante.
Personally, I don't see much advantage with a small system.
Plus, I'm told that Dante suffers from some latency issues. How bad that is, and if it would actually be significant for me, I don't know, but I also don't care to find out.
As other have said, plain old AES (or even SPDF for short distances) is just fine. (Assuming your source audio even has digital output.)
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And a question for you amp gurus:
Let's say your source audio DOES have digital output, and you run that into an amp (or powered speaker) with a digital input.
And the amps being used are class D.
Typically, does that mean there is no DA / AD conversion, before the speakers? Does the signal stay digital right through the amp circuit?
I wouldn't be surprised if that's not always the case, and that "digital input" is sometimes just a marketing thing.
Personally, I don't see much advantage with a small system.
Plus, I'm told that Dante suffers from some latency issues. How bad that is, and if it would actually be significant for me, I don't know, but I also don't care to find out.
As other have said, plain old AES (or even SPDF for short distances) is just fine. (Assuming your source audio even has digital output.)
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And a question for you amp gurus:
Let's say your source audio DOES have digital output, and you run that into an amp (or powered speaker) with a digital input.
And the amps being used are class D.
Typically, does that mean there is no DA / AD conversion, before the speakers? Does the signal stay digital right through the amp circuit?
I wouldn't be surprised if that's not always the case, and that "digital input" is sometimes just a marketing thing.
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But if that's true, then what's the point of running AES to your speakers, instead of analogue?
Yes, but what if you don't need the amp's DSP?
And what if you have a super high quality DA converter upstream?
With the T-series (and a lot of other amps that have DSP built in), you can't bypass the DSP.
Powersoft do give some detail of the DAC they used on the output of the DSP. IIRC, it's a decent-quality unit, but I'm not particularly well-read on that side of things.
FWIW, if you're doing PA work with these amps, you need the DSP. Things like the True Power limiters are invaluable.
Chris
The T series looks good, but I have zero use for on-amp DSP. I've got everything I need in my processor, including voltage-based limiting. I'd much rather do it all in one central location, with one central bank of presets.
I suppose that sometime in the future, an all-digital transmission path will be common, even in smaller "club" systems, but I don't think we're quite there yet.
Still, it might be something to start planning for.
But again, I'd still want as much control as possible in one central processor. It's one reason I like the EAW system, with passive speakers and all control (including gunness focusing) in the UX box. Even if I eventually upgrade to their UX48 processor, with has AES output, I'd prefer to not use any in-amp processing.
I suppose that sometime in the future, an all-digital transmission path will be common, even in smaller "club" systems, but I don't think we're quite there yet.
Still, it might be something to start planning for.
But again, I'd still want as much control as possible in one central processor. It's one reason I like the EAW system, with passive speakers and all control (including gunness focusing) in the UX box. Even if I eventually upgrade to their UX48 processor, with has AES output, I'd prefer to not use any in-amp processing.
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Remember that voltage-based limiting isn't the same as power-based. The amplifier can monitor current output, too.
That said, if the processor is a good one with sense lines etc, then it'll probably take care of things just fine.
I'd still suggest that, even with DSP bypassed, the T-series are a good set of amplifiers although I can see why you might want to look elsewhere. Powersoft do have other amps available - the M series is available without DSP, but it's getting long in the tooth these days. There's also the install amps, but you'll need a pile of adapters to get those working.
Other brands are available.
Chris
That said, if the processor is a good one with sense lines etc, then it'll probably take care of things just fine.
I'd still suggest that, even with DSP bypassed, the T-series are a good set of amplifiers although I can see why you might want to look elsewhere. Powersoft do have other amps available - the M series is available without DSP, but it's getting long in the tooth these days. There's also the install amps, but you'll need a pile of adapters to get those working.
Other brands are available.
Chris
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