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Old 1st August 2019, 11:41 AM   #51
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Hi Turk 182, my apologies for not responding to your last message much sooner, I did take onboard your advice of using stereo and panning for sound effects, in our last show in June, there was a need for a telephone ringing effect and the phone was placed stage right, your advice worked well, so now I connect speakers as stereo. My position for the mixer is right at the back of the hall, in a direct line of sight, 20 meters, cable run, 28 meters. The group have always done one show at a venue, but as they had to turn away people at the last show as it was a full house, it was decide to do an afternoon performance and an evening performance on the same day, 92 tickets sold for the afternoon show and 98 for the evening, max seating is 100.
I am now looking into a sub woofer, to go with the two twelve inch tops , like everyone else it's down to cost, in my case it's also cabinet size and weight, as it's me doing all the lifting and transporting, I don't do dance music only backing for vocals and group singing, I'm looking for something to give the music that extra bit of punch. All suggestions welcome.

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Old 1st August 2019, 04:56 PM   #52
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Raysor, I am not an expert on this stuff but it sounds like what you need is more mid bass oomph rather than sub bass. If you have the power handling and power available you could try mid bass eq for the instruments you want to accentuate. The other option would be a second set of mains for use in larger venues.
I usually rent 2 12” powered monitors for our dinner theatre. For our main stage there are 2 15” monitors suspended high centre and then 2 10” on the outside to fill in. There is one dead spot that I fill in with a rented 10” monitor.
We usually run a live band for a main stage production. It’s a major expense but makes a huge difference for something like Guys and Dolls. We had drums, piano, 2 trumpets and a reed player (sax and flute) It is usually hard to get them to play quiet enough for the people near them to hear the lines.
Guys and dolls went pretty well for us with about 700 tickets sold over 5 performances. That is a record number of tickets for us.
Next is a dinner theatre in Sep. The Big Bad Musical - 6 performances over 2 weekends. I’m hoping to get a second person to help with sound so I can actually relax and enjoy some of the performances.
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Old 5th August 2019, 02:05 PM   #53
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Hi Bfpca, Many thanks for the constructive advice, just shows you how good I am, it didn't
even enter my mind to increase the mid rang Eq, normally if a singer wanted to sing with a particular backing track I would play it from my laptop into the mixer using the phono inputs and that strip has only highs and lows to Eq's.
I now have a 3.5 stereo jack to two 1/4 inch mono jacks to plug into the unbalanced stereo sockets on the mixer that have 3 Eq's to adjust, high, mid, low, will let you know how I get on.
Very good results from the "Guys and Dolls" and good luck with the September shows, I
really admire you guys handling all that responsibility over many shows, the concentration it takes is enormous. I f a lighting person makes a mistake, it can go unnoticed, but a sound engineer makes a mistake and every one knows.
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Old 5th August 2019, 04:27 PM   #54
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Raysor, thanks for the complements. Some mixers have a variable turnover freq. adjustment for the mid control. This is very useful for tuning individual vocal style/microphone match. Some singers will stay away from the mic a bit too far which can lead to a thin lower midrange. Others will eat the mic, which gives you too much low frequency emphasis in their vocals. Experiment with what you have in terms of EQ.
Some people will turn up the upper midrange to make vocals more intelligible. This often leads to a harsh sound imo with vocal sibilants being emphasized. My approach is to get a natural vocal sound and then if the vocals aren’t loud enough - turn up the volume.
Biggest headache for me when doing large productions is malfunctioning or broken wireless mics. One night during guys and dolls the mic for Nathan Detroit got trashed. The cable got caught on something and it ripped the entire connector right out of the pc board in the transmitter. Luckily the actor has a huge voice and belted out his lines until we could get him another mic. Having at least 1 spare mic is my policy when doing shows. You never know what will happen.
Are shows are all volunteer run. We have a producer that produced high school plays during his entire 30+ year teaching career and a director who has a life long passion for amateur theatre. It’s great fun for me and I look forward to every show!
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Old 14th August 2019, 10:54 AM   #55
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Bfpca, just to let you know have done some experimenting with the EQs and finished up with some decent sound, to my ears any way, so the subwoofer will be crossed off the list and some wireless microphones put in it's place on the shopping list, rehearsing a show at the moment with a producer that I have not seen his type of work before, he tells me is that he wants 4 wireless mics on stands on the front of the stage, the stage work area is 16 feet wide, it's more like a play with the odd song here and there with lots of people coming and going, speaking a few lines as they come near a mic and singers using mics handheld, so far there has been a read through and positioning of characters. This one could be interesting.
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Sounds like a good learning experience. At least the producer knows exactly what they want.
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Old 15th August 2019, 10:42 AM   #57
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summer festival season has had me be rather busy and absent here.


glad to know that things are busy for Raysor as well!
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Old 30th October 2019, 02:10 PM   #58
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Still have a few more weeks of rehearsals to go and they are going well, as this producer knows his stuff about 25 + people on stage at the same time singing some big numbers.
And here I need some advice from you very helpful forum members.
One monitor on stage is not doing the job of everyone hearing the music, so I now need another one as the stage is not big enough for 3.
The one in use at the moment is an alto active 150 watt rms 10 inch 2 way speaker, would another of the same be enough, if they were placed on the left and right of the stage, I only plan to put the music through them so the group can all start singing at the same time.
My idea would be one main out from the mixer to one main speaker and link to the second main speaker, then an aux out to one monitor then link to the other monitor.
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