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Old 7th April 2021, 06:21 PM   #1
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Default "Just another symptom of how sick the music industry is"

If your interested in music production, music theory, or just music, hears a great youtube channel. You don't have to be a musician to appreciate it. The quote in the title is from this video.

Why Don't Record Labels Believe In Young Artists? - YouTube
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Old 7th April 2021, 06:50 PM   #2
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Songs are now a tradable commodity and investors will prefer buying into the time-honoured classics rather than taking the risk on new music.

It is reported that Bob Dylan has sold his catalogue for over $300 million, and that Neil Young has sold 50% of the rights from his catalogue to a FTSE-listed investment fund for an estimated $150 million.

Have you noticed the number of classic songs being used in TV shows, commercials, movie soundtracks and video games? It's huge business and can only have a detrimental effect on new music.
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Old 7th April 2021, 07:45 PM   #3
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Exactly what Rick says. Think how much new artist development could happen with the $400 million used to buy just 4 writers catalogues. Maybe they could learn to sing without auto tune.
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Old 7th April 2021, 08:32 PM   #4
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Maybe they could learn to sing without auto tune.
In the early days, long before autotune, singers who were tonally challenged had to work extra hard in the studio in producing multiple tracks from which the finished vocal could be spliced together. Sometimes it came down to endlessly splicing in alternative verses, lines or even individual words!

It took a special singer to produce the goods in only one or two takes and, later in their career, this feat would be regarded as a badge of honour.

Then, of course, adding echo to the vocal, as well as employing multiple tracking, could hide a multitude of sins!
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Old 24th April 2021, 09:41 PM   #5
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I have been watching Rick's channel for a while. He is 100% correct about the sickness, stagnation, and corporate control in the music industry.

Once upon a time in the early 70's, I spent a lot of time hanging around a low budget recording studio. In exchange for me fixing some stuff, I got to play with all of it. There are zero musicians, and people in general in a recording studio at say 9 AM, since they probably left around 2 AM.

I got to be pretty good with a razor blade and some magnetic tape. For optimum "sliceability", you record your track several times onto a full track mono 1/4 inch machine, then break out the razor blades and x-acto knife. There was a little metal fixture that held the tape for identical diagonal cuts. I made some pretty convincing guitar tracks that I could not actually play in real time.

I finally sold my last tape machine, a Teac 3340 in the early 2000's. Now I "slice" with a mouse. It's not called slicing today, it's multiple "take lanes" and "comping." You record 4 or so guitar of vocal takes, then pick the best parts of each for the final mix.
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Old 24th April 2021, 10:03 PM   #6
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As Galu says, music has been almost completely commoditised. And songwriting has been industrialised. Gone are the days of the album as a cohesive experience - it's all about individual (and utterly disposable) songs.

This was quite an eye-opener: Songwriters Are Getting Short-Changed by Music Streaming, Study Shows - Variety
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Old 25th April 2021, 03:04 PM   #7
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In the early days, long before autotune, singers who were tonally challenged had to work extra hard in the studio in producing multiple tracks from which the finished vocal could be spliced together. Sometimes it came down to endlessly splicing in alternative verses, lines or even individual words!

It took a special singer to produce the goods in only one or two takes and, later in their career, this feat would be regarded as a badge of honour.

Then, of course, adding echo to the vocal, as well as employing multiple tracking, could hide a multitude of sins!

The situation you describe (with multiple takes and editing) was not possible for common artists until 70's and 80's.
I see things differently about the 'badge of honour' in the 'early days' the situation about the whole industry was completly different: artists had to tour a set for many month before enter studio and make a record of it.
Since 80's situation is inverse: album first then touring. This is a very big difference as musicians doesn't really master the tracks when they enter studio or start a tour.

I don't agree about effects or multitrack hidding things. In practice i experienced the inverse. I think the question one should ask is if multitrack is needed for the differents style?
For variety production perfection may be a prerequisite but not for rock and roll or other genres in my view. Things like coherency and energy may be more important than being in place or in tune or whatever ( some recording of 70's are enligthning about this: eg: Led Zeppelin albums are not always perfect about timing but the intention is here and makes the music interesting in my view) .
Some artists and producers are aware of that, others just follow the trend ( or 'how it is done' ) or 'advice' from a technical crew which is not dedicated to their own style, or what the A.D. ( artistic director) impose.
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Old 25th April 2021, 09:13 PM   #8
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I've been seeing so many ads using music from the past and I live in France and it's the French ads that are using English language music from the past should have clocked onto your realisation years ago.
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Old 25th April 2021, 09:29 PM   #9
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"Just another symptom of how sick the music industry is"
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As Galu says, music has been almost completely commoditised.

Surely that happened in the 1960s? In LA the same band played all the records to get 'hits' for most pop releases, so much so that 20 years later they got named 'the wrecking crew'. I really don't see this as a 21st century problem, just another older generation thinking modern music isn't as good as it was when they were young.
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Old 27th April 2021, 12:35 PM   #10
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Music production has been democratized. Everybody can have a recording studio in their bedroom. Few know how to do it very well. Music form and expression tends to follow what is easy to do on a computer, not necessarily what is most emotionally compelling. On the consumer end of things, people tend to have short attention spans. Music is used differently than before. Music changes as social culture and technology change, it is what it is.

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