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Old 31st January 2005, 08:05 PM   #1
Vikash is offline Vikash  United Kingdom
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Default Mic Preamp PCB kit offering (measure FR etc)

Brian and I have decided to put together a PCB offering of a mic preamp perfect for measuring loudspeakers. Jason Neil has offered a PCB in the past, but we (actually Brian ) has redone and improved the layout/design (circuit is Wallin's preamp v2) incorporating the connctors and battery onto the PCB, and we also have a case in mind.

We may be offering made up mic wands using the WM-61A electrets as well if there is interest:

I think it would be excellent to have a high quality and cheap kit available to measure your loudspeaker designs. Our initial thought is just to offer PCB's. Let us have your input.

Here's the PDF of the design so far.
One connector will be RCA, the other BNC.
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Old 31st January 2005, 08:17 PM   #2
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I'd be interested in the whole package.
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Old 31st January 2005, 08:43 PM   #3
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Sounds like a good plan to me I made preamp II and one thing I'm a little concerned about is the size of the caps on your pcb layout, quite a few look too small to me.

Attached is my layout (on experimenter board) with the actual cap sizes (these were the smallest ones I was able to source in panasonic FC series, and rubicon ZA. Note especially C9 (don't remember what brand that was, but there is quite limited choice in NP's here in Aus).

One other thing that I'd think was possibly worthwhile, is a modifiction to the circuit to have a gain of more than 20 (if that is possible)..... after testing on the weekend, it would have been nice to have a bit more gain when doing the 1M on axis tests, rather than cranking the volume on the amp up so high (was wearing earplugs, but not sure what the neighbors thought)

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Old 31st January 2005, 08:59 PM   #4
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Sounds like a good plan to me I made preamp II and one thing I'm a little concerned about is the size of the caps on your pcb layout, quite a few look too small to me.

Attached is my layout (on experimenter board) with the actual cap sizes (these were the smallest ones I was able to source in panasonic FC series, and rubicon ZA. Note especially C9 (don't remember what brand that was, but there is quite limited choice in NP's here in Aus).

One other thing that I'd think was possibly worthwhile, is a modifiction to the circuit to have a gain of more than 20 (if that is possible)..... after testing on the weekend, it would have been nice to have a bit more gain when doing the 1M on axis tests, rather than cranking the volume on the amp up so high (was wearing earplugs, but not sure what the neighbors thought)

Tony.
The electrolytic capacitors were spec'd as Panasonic FC caps, and C9 is to be a Panasonic SU 16v 10uF cap. The datasheet says 5mm diameter, 11mm height, as with the majority of the other caps on the board. (only larger caps are the 100uF 16v FC caps with a 6.3mm diameter).

For the 5pf cap, Mica seems to be the only cap that I can find of that value from Digikey, which is not surface mount. They are quite expensive in that value, so I am looking for an alternate part, any suggestions?

I am still finalizing the selection of parts, and will do a digikey order of the parts to verify the sizes on the layout before ordering the prototype pcb.

For this project, all parts will be available from Digikey, except for the RCAs, which I sourced from Vampire Wire (sound connections) from a previous project.

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Old 31st January 2005, 09:02 PM   #5
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I'd be interested in the whole thing...when do we start?
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I'd beinterested too ! Been wanting to do this on my own but this makes it so much easier!
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Old 31st January 2005, 10:25 PM   #7
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Brian and I have decided to put together a PCB offering of a mic preamp perfect for measuring loudspeakers. Jason Neil has offered a PCB in the past, but we (actually Brian ) has redone and improved the layout/design (circuit is Wallin's preamp v2) incorporating the connctors and battery onto the PCB, and we also have a case in mind.
Just before you posted this i was chatting with brian, suggesting a group buy on boards. I have 2 of Jason's 1st gen boards/kits, and the boards are VERY primitive compared to what we have come to expect these days (that was some 5 years or so ago).

I'm (acually JasonL) just getting around to building up the old boards... if this is going to come together i'll hold off on the 2nd one and i'll have parts already.

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Heh, I was just looking into buying a ART MicroMix and Behringer ECM8000 for measuring my speakers. I'd be very interested in the preamp and microphone together as a kit, depending on price of course.
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Here is a preliminary digikey parts list for this project:

This assumes that Vikash and I would only be selling the PCBs and RCAs, and the rest of the ordering would be done by the builder through Digikey (or similar vendor).

I am going to order all the parts and do a test fit on paper, and then if it looks good, I will get some prototype pcbs done, and if it works, then I will order some production pcbs (probably red ). I only started this project on Saturday (2 days ago), and I don't expect to have any production boards made for at last a couple of weeks.

One thing not mentioned earlier is that the Vampire Wire (Sound Connections RCAs have the same footprint as the standard BNC board mount connector, so they can be interchanged easily. Here are pictures of the connectors on the website:
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From a European point of view, more vital than the RCA would be the capsule, everything else is relatively easily obtainable over here. As however you are making the boards to fit a particular connector pinout, the kit should be the two connectors, the board, and the capsule. What do you guys think?
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