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Satori MR 16 is the one to try to beat
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Old 19th January 2021, 05:04 PM   #11
Paul Ebert is offline Paul Ebert  United States
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Other possible contenders are the Purifi PTT6.5 and the Dayton Epique E160, at least in my estimation.
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Old 19th January 2021, 05:06 PM   #12
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Have you heard the Epique ? How high can it be crossed???
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Old 19th January 2021, 05:17 PM   #13
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Sadly, no - just based on reviews and measurements. I have heard the 8" as the woofer in a 3 way and thought it sounded excellent. Based on measurements, it should probably be crossed at 3k or less.
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Old 19th January 2021, 05:24 PM   #14
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My two cents......
I was debating between the Satori MR16PNW-4 and Morel TSCM 634 for my midrange so I decided to send a note to Jeff Bagby (RIP). He had so much more experience than me and was always generous with his time - he told me could not go wrong with the Satori and the MR16 was on sale for $100 at Madisound. He was right, I could not be happier. I paired it with the ESS Heil AMT and the system exceeds my expectations. My low end set of drivers is the Eminence Kappalite 3012LF in U-frame. Wow! The system kicks butt.

Of course like a typical DIYer I am eyeing the SB Acoustics textreme model but have not made a move yet.
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Old 19th January 2021, 05:39 PM   #15
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The MR16P-4 6.5” Satori Midrange from SB Acoustics | audioXpress

I actually tried the Morel first; I think for $400 each they should have been much better. The MR16 is not the best driver on the planet for sure but when you factor in the extremely good performance and then the price; I still think it is the one to beat. The MR16 sounds way better than the Morel above which is a shame really. Some are saying the TexTreme may not be all that much better but others are saying it is magic. At first; I had the MR16 LP 2nd order, no Zobel. I have since moved to a 1st order; I am using a 14 AWG equivalent Goertz flat foil inductor and it does very well. I said this elsewhere but I think the Goertz flat foil inductors sound better than any other inductor I have tried, regardless of coil design style or price.
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Old 20th January 2021, 03:51 PM   #16
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AND, for an experiment; I am soon getting the SB13PFC. It is a special paper cone; I wander if it is Papyrus? Some say it is, others...maybe??? The idea is to compare the budget 5 inch to the Satori 6 inch mid; side by side. I have a new project idea for the 13PFC but how can I pass up comparing it to the MR16 first? Now that some reports are coming in on the TexTreme MW16, maybe it is a lot of hype and wishful thinking and maybe it is just slightly better than Papyrus? If so; certainly NOT worth the high price for just a small increase in performance...time will tell...
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Old 20th January 2021, 04:11 PM   #17
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I said this elsewhere but I think the Goertz flat foil inductors sound better than any other inductor I have tried, regardless of coil design style or price.

in what way does it sound better to you? i know this can be a hot topic, or it used to be, but i am sincerely interested
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Old 20th January 2021, 04:16 PM   #18
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I am soon getting the SB13PFC
avi hifi had many followers and they used this driver in their dm5
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Old 20th January 2021, 04:49 PM   #19
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The Goertz flat foil inductors seem to have very low DCR compared to other brands even with the same equivalent wire gauge. That is certainly ONE reason; the bass seems more defined even though we are using these in series with a mid or mid/bass for a higher frequency low pass. The mids and highs ALSO seem to be better defined; more resolution and detail. I have some Hepa-Litz 12 gauge and standard 14 gauge coils. In my A/B listening tests, the flat foils almost always give a more realistic presentation. Even when comparing the Goertz to another brand of the same inductance and equivalent inductance. Yes, many people try to argue there is no difference in sound "quality" between different inductors, capacitors and even resistors. There is a difference for sure; sometimes it is only a slight improvement; sometimes it is very obviously a great improvement. Subjective? Maybe but I am fully retired and have all day to experiment. I am a retired Engineer, Technician and former Musician so I do understand all the math and science; I also trust my trained musician's hearing...Like I have said; these discussions and arguments will most likely go on until the end of time...
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Old 20th January 2021, 06:11 PM   #20
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I agree. I also use the MR16P togehter with two WO24P's and used to have the TW29DN. Lovely drivers. Talking about the MR16P, I love it's midrange. Rich and the vocals are so good. So real and such body. Some staff of my local high end dealer actually prefer the vocals of my speakers over that of the 115k Kroma Elektra's. The bass from the woofers, sitting in a sealed cabinet, is also extremely good.
Last week I upgraded the tweeter to the BliesMa T34B-4. Another league in detail retrieval, distortion and spaciousness. Though I was already very impressed with the TW29DN, one of the very best soft domes on the market.
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