Go Back   Home > Forums > >
Home Forums Rules Articles diyAudio Store Blogs Gallery Wiki Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Multi-Way Conventional loudspeakers with crossovers

3 1/2 Way with Sub...My Upgrades
3 1/2 Way with Sub...My Upgrades
Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 30th June 2020, 11:52 PM   #81
diyiggy is offline diyiggy
diyAudio Member
 
diyiggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Sorry, I wanted to mean : no sub anymore but experiment with the Satori + SB29 as 2.5 way...


So it was a 2.5 + sub from the beginning ? I didn't understand
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 30th June 2020, 11:58 PM   #82
oldspkrguy is offline oldspkrguy  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
well, no need for me. Before; with the smaller Satori as woofer and sub for below 40 Hz; the results were good. The new idea is to be able to increase SPL from 40 Hz up to about 300 Hz. Because the smaller Satori was in a BR box; it was limited in output; the reason I originally chose the SB 29 it would work in that box size closed; give a similar response but play louder and handle more power. The best solution for me is to not use the Satori woofer or SB29 woofer and replace them both with a single 10 inch nominal woofer that satisfies my need for not only low bass but also mid and upper bass.
  Reply With Quote
Old 1st July 2020, 12:14 AM   #83
diyiggy is offline diyiggy
diyAudio Member
 
diyiggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Thanks for the explain, I didn't get it.
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 1st July 2020, 11:25 PM   #84
oldspkrguy is offline oldspkrguy  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Well, the series combination of the two woofers sounds pretty bad actually!

New idea; temporary anyway:

Use the new Crown amp with the SB29 11 inch woofers only; inductor for low pass to be determined. This would be for lower bass only; maybe 40 Hz to 120 Hz???

Block the ports on the Satori MW16P-4 6 inch woofer but use it with the Yamaha amp all by itself. No need for super large capacitors this way for a low frequency high pass??? This would be a closed box then; giving me better mid and upper bass keeping the lower bass off of this driver. This would enable a higher output than possible with a low tuned vented (same box, same driver...Q less than 0.707 perfectly OK).

Put the MR16P-4 6 inch mid. on the Dayton amp by itself. The Dayton is the least musical amp. but this is just an experiment after all. The MR16 for the lower mids only; X/O ???

Put the Pluvia and Fostex together on the NAD amp/CD combo unit. This is the least powerful amp but I have used it before to drive the Pluvias by themselves and it does get loud enough at 25 Watts/4 Ohms for my room (in the upper midrange and treble bands that is). New X/O and attenuators??? The NAD is much more musical sounding than the Dayton so the Pluvias will do better than if I put them with the Dayton.

I have also used the MR16 6 inch mids by themselves on the Dayton; good enough since the real magic comes mostly from the Pluvias.

I have all of these things already; getting another woofer will just have to wait. I might not even need to buy any more inductors or capacitors or resistors because I do have a huge and very wide selection already.

Probably too late in the day; I don't want to take a chance and make mistakes in wiring when I'm tired; better to start off new tomorrow...
  Reply With Quote
Old 2nd July 2020, 07:34 AM   #85
oldspkrguy is offline oldspkrguy  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Another possibility. Don't even use the MR16 mid at all. Put the MW16 in the MR16 box which is already modified to be closed. This I can do rather quickly on just one channel. The MW and MR do sound very similar obviously; I bought the MR mids long before I bought the MW woofers which are really very wide band mid-bass. I wasn't necessarily going to use them both at the same time; it sort of ended up that way.
  Reply With Quote
Old 2nd July 2020, 09:11 AM   #86
Pilover2000 is offline Pilover2000  Canada
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Mississippi Mills, Ontario, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldspkrguy View Post
I have all of these things already; getting another woofer will just have to wait. I might not even need to buy any more inductors or capacitors or resistors because I do have a huge and very wide selection already.
You would have a lot of fun with an active system.

7 channels (single sub), modify xover, volume levels on the fly. Yes sir. Lots of fun.
__________________
2-channel sound reproduction is like Alice in Wonderland - Linkwitz
  Reply With Quote
Old 2nd July 2020, 11:33 AM   #87
oldspkrguy is offline oldspkrguy  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Well, the COVID has my Girlfriend and Daughter both out of work; I help them both with money every month. So, spending big bucks as we say has to wait I'm afraid.


******** What brand electronic crossover could I buy that gives me the most flexibility in crossover? I would want to try different slopes and Q's; not just frequency adjustments only. ********


The Satori MW might be good enough I'll decide I no longer need the WR. That would have me with a sub (already active); woofer of some kind; mid and tweeter as a minimum. Other wise for maximum craziness; sub, low woofer, high woofer, low mid, high mid, super-tweeter....

IF I can get the SB 29 and the MW 16 to balance out my critical needs of low, mid and upper bass passively; I won't need a better 10 inch woofer such as the NE265. The SB 29 is GREAT at the low end; 22 mm LINEAR X and a 3 inch VC and f3 closed (Aperiodic) in 33 liters IS SPECIAL for sure!

The Satori absolutely sounds MUCH more musical though; harmonics and overtones of the lowest notes are WAY more believable; then, anything else above that is ALSO way more believable. I could use it up to 400 to 600 Hz possibly; that would give the Pluvia the ability to play louder also. The Pluvia is crossed on the low end right now at 300 Hz but only 1st order. I want to stay with 1st order if I can get away with it; I prefer the sound better. I see the cone move quite a bit when there are lower bass frequencies getting through. I sometimes play it all by itself; I have only ONCE pushed it into distortion; it has the physical limiter like most Mark Audio full rangers do.

First coffee now

After breakfast; swap the MW in place of the MR (in the closed box; 15 l). First rough calc. shows that would give me a Q around 0.57; GREAT for better transients; f3 is a "don't care" here in this case but it would be in the high 70's or so.
  Reply With Quote
Old 2nd July 2020, 11:46 AM   #88
Pilover2000 is offline Pilover2000  Canada
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Mississippi Mills, Ontario, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldspkrguy View Post
Well, the COVID has my Girlfriend and Daughter both out of work; I help them both with money every month. So, spending big bucks as we say has to wait I'm afraid.

******** What brand electronic crossover could I buy that gives me the most flexibility in crossover? I would want to try different slopes and Q's; not just frequency adjustments only. ********
You're a good person. It's tough times for a lot of people.

The Behringer 2496's are decent and come up often enough used. They are a good example of getting the right words to work with for searches even if you end up with a similar product.

Slopes / q's / levels. The ability to adjust easily is wonderful.
__________________
2-channel sound reproduction is like Alice in Wonderland - Linkwitz
  Reply With Quote
Old 2nd July 2020, 11:49 AM   #89
oldspkrguy is offline oldspkrguy  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Thanks!

Decades ago; one of my buddies had a Sound Craftsman brand active EQ; bare bones basic though; just for 2-way only.
  Reply With Quote
Old 2nd July 2020, 11:59 AM   #90
AllenB is offline AllenB  Australia
diyAudio Moderator
 
AllenB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
3 1/2 Way with Sub...My Upgrades
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldspkrguy View Post
electronic crossover
Do you have a desktop or laptop computer with multiple outputs?
Quote:
I help them both
Respect, oldspkrguy
 

Reply


3 1/2 Way with Sub...My UpgradesHide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
ΒΚ-16 upgrades? meinv Full Range 0 21st October 2019 04:26 AM
Op amp upgrades duder1982 Parts 3 14th June 2014 02:01 PM
CJ PV5 Upgrades? batsong Tubes / Valves 26 15th November 2012 04:39 AM
t-amp upgrades Code Class D 1 14th January 2006 04:12 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 06:19 AM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Resources saved on this page: MySQL 14.29%
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©1999-2020 diyAudio
Wiki