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Old 29th August 2019, 10:03 PM   #21
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Wolf's Nephilia is most excellent. Parts Express has a new slim line transmission line that is supposed to be a killer for the money. Not a kit. Dayton Audio MK442T 4" 2-Way Transmission Line Tower Speaker Pair

For a self contained inexpensive kit, the TriTrix is excellent tritrix - Parts Express Ships Fast and Ships Free.
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Old 29th August 2019, 10:07 PM   #22
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dtaylo3: Hi, thanks - Unfortunately parts-express being "over there" makes it a bit of a bummer, high shipping price and import taxes , so I either have to piece it together locally, or go for a different option.
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Old 29th August 2019, 10:46 PM   #23
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Hi Katrine,

that was a general term for a type of speaker... sorry if it was unclear. That would have lead to a more or less self-designed speaker, but I feel now that this is maybe not your direction...

However, I see now that you´re from Denmark, Hej! If you´re able to read german, have a look at the diy-magazine hobby-hifi, plenty of choices that will fit in your limits, perfect documentation and at least for newer developments, availability in Europe should be fine.

You´ve asked about fullrange designs... and if you´re just a little bit adventurous and like to leave the main road, have a look here: FAST_5" speaker,
as personally I like to do my own things...
As Dave pointed out, a small fullrange like those have a lot of disadvantages: the Fast5TML will not play very loud, there´s no deep bass, complex and relatively loud passages will easily sound congested, treble is beaming (which might be a good thing in several situations...), but many people like such stuff for coherence, 3-dimensionality and fine dynamics. A Fast5 is a cheap way to try this out, but the pentagonal TML requires some skills...

However, there are endless possibilities. Troels´ designs are a sensible choice, many others are easy to do, several vendors in Europe sell complete kits. The choice is yours...
Could have copied a few interesting pages for you (in german sadly...), but I´m at work in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and don´t have my magazines with me...

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Old 30th August 2019, 04:40 AM   #24
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My speakers will especially be a compromise, space, money, what not.
This two way design uses high rated SB_Acoustics aluminun cone drivers in a 1100mm tall cabinet to put the tweeter at ear level and extend bass performance.

SB17NAC-4 6" midbass
SB26ADC-4 1" dome tweeter

$200 for drivers + crossover parts

200mm wide x 300mm deep x 1100mm tall
2" internal diameter port, 6.7" long
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3" internal diameter port 16.2" long
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Old 30th August 2019, 11:48 AM   #25
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Hi Katrine,

that was a general term for a type of speaker... sorry if it was unclear. That would have lead to a more or less self-designed speaker, but I feel now that this is maybe not your direction...
I think you are right! If it was not my very first venture into this world, I would not mind so much But I think I will need too much help if I start doing self-design as the first thing.

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However, I see now that you´re from Denmark, Hej! If you´re able to read german, have a look at the diy-magazine hobby-hifi.
Hej! - I can sort of muddle my way through, my boyfriend happens to be german, so I would be able to get help
I saw the hobby-hifi speaker kits (and others) here: Lautsprecher-Bausatze online kaufen | hifisound.de My problem is I have no idea if they're any good - or maybe rather, which one is the better one for the money / my use

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You´ve asked about fullrange designs... and if you´re just a little bit adventurous and like to leave the main road, have a look here: FAST_5" speaker
I don't mind going off the beaten path, but I think it's a bit early for my adventures

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Could have copied a few interesting pages for you (in german sadly...), but I´m at work in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and don´t have my magazines with me...
Thank you, german should not be a problem, but atlantic ocean of course would be! - oil rig thing?

Thank you for the comprehensive answer, I feel like the more I know, the less I know what to do.
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Old 30th August 2019, 11:51 AM   #26
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This two way design uses high rated SB_Acoustics aluminun cone drivers in a 1100mm tall cabinet to put the tweeter at ear level and extend bass performance.

SB17NAC-4 6" midbass
SB26ADC-4 1" dome tweeter

$200 for drivers + crossover parts

200mm wide x 300mm deep x 1100mm tall
2" internal diameter port, 6.7" long
- or -
3" internal diameter port 16.2" long
Hi, that looks an awful lot like something from troels that I have been eyeballing, just a more affordable version.. Hmm! interesting.
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I've no idea where the shortcomings could be? Say in the pensils, what is one of theirs? … What compromises is that? I'm just curious...
FRs attempt to cover the entire spectrum with a single driver. Small ones typically are really good top/mid, but struggle in the bottom 2 or 3 octaves. Big ones (sometimes) do bass but suffer high up. Some add a whizzer, essentially you have a mechanical 2-way. Efficient ones often need rear-loaded horns to get gain in the bass. A single driver is limited in its ultimate loudness capabilities.

The latest FR drivers (the Mark Audio are affordable too), often have very good bottom without sacrificing top. Certainly as extended as most 2-ways, without any crossover anomalies. Including what an XO does to the impedances, often making them a better match to higher output impedance SE amplifiers.

And many, many do not listen loud enuff to worry about those limits.

You really need to listen to some good examples to judge whether the compromises make sense for you. People are often blown away with what a good FR can do.

The Pensils are proven ML-TLs that are designed to be tuned to your room/room placement/taste as to the bass.

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In Denmark at least: Quali-fi – Home of speakers for music lovers

Kurt is a good guy.

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Old 31st August 2019, 09:21 AM   #29
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Hi Katrine,


no oil rig thing... oil rigs are near the coast, for reasons. I´m on a research vessel, investigating plastic and microplastic accumulations in the great atlantic eddy, literally in the middle of the northern Atlantic. Normal life, I´m a seaman. Therefore I can´t check the literature before december, when I´ll be back home.
I will, if work allows, check the kit market in the next days and will see if I find something special for you...


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Old 31st August 2019, 11:15 PM   #30
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Hi Katrine again,


for a budget of 400 € max without wood, have a look at those: Dschinn Mini TL and Lautsprecher Shop | Hobby Hifi Dschinn-Mini-TL Bausatz | Lautsprecher Selbstbau.
Just a thought...


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