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Why is floor bounce considered only a bass issue?
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Old 13th August 2019, 01:32 PM   #51
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Why is floor bounce considered only a bass issue?
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The perceived lack of soundstaging from wall-mounted speakers is a psychoacoustic effect and has nothing to do with reflections or a lack thereof.

Close your eyes and when the eyes do not see the wall the ears will paint a beautifully deep soundstage.
But if you do see the wall the brain will simply dismiss auditory cues which hint at depth.
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Old 13th August 2019, 03:14 PM   #52
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This is an interesting thread, it seems to display people's thoughts/fears about reflections rather that the reality of how we perceive them? My understanding is that so long as the reflections have similar spectral content to the direct sound and they are sufficiently delayed they are not a bad thing and sometimes are beneficial depending mainly on personal preference. Space behind speakers can add depth to the sound stage so long as they are far enough away, I'm not saying it isn't a visual thing as well to a degree.
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Old 13th August 2019, 04:56 PM   #53
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Why is floor bounce considered only a bass issue?
Reflections will never have the same spectral content to the direct signal, not matter the how good the power response of the speaker is. Secondly, the fact that it arrives later effects the sound as well, and very early reflections are for most of part always bad. But it's correct to say that a speaker with uniform directivity will have less coloration from from the boundaries, and that's really all.
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A good dipole or omni gets pretty close. Yes, later reflections can effect the sound but often in a good way
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Old 13th August 2019, 06:03 PM   #55
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My plan for the next speaker project, is a corner mounted (flush with side walls) LA with synergy style/ coaxial drivers along its length. Should in theory solve all early reflections/SBIR.
Interesting idea. What are the downsides?
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Old 13th August 2019, 06:49 PM   #56
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Reflections will never have the same spectral content to the direct signal,
rather very rarely

therefore what matters is NOT spectral content but time structure
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Old 13th August 2019, 07:10 PM   #57
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This is an interesting thread, it seems to display people's thoughts/fears about reflections rather that the reality of how we perceive them?
If you have some box speakers knocking around you can test it for yourself.

Place them on a wall, look at them and play music.
Depth of soundstage will be close to zero.

Now close your eyes while the music plays and perceived depth will return.
Right until you look again.

The omnis I've heard produce spacious mush or in other words a spaciousness which is not related to the recording.

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I've not heard any omnis, I'd like to. I've speakers which I can convert from monopole to near dipole quite easily and I like both, spaciousness that's not on the recording can sound good to me, it depends on the recording, simpler small group can make it sound like they're in the room, doesn't work so well for full orchestra, for obvious reasons. As a one size fits all compromise a monopole is probably best in the average smaller living room.
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Old 14th August 2019, 09:49 AM   #59
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I've not heard any omnis, I'd like to.
get a coaxial 2-way monitor or a good fullrange, put it on its back, directly on the floor or raised on a stand, equalize (if it proves necessary) and voilą
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I should do that, simple enough, I have Jordan Eikona in VTL which I made the back removable for "dipole" experimentation.
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