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Old 9th August 2019, 10:56 AM   #21
diplomata is offline diplomata  Portugal
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size is a consideration. Cost is also a consideration.
Hello

With all the above in consideration, you should take a look to Visaton - La Belle

As long as you have the power you will have no problem getting those wofers to work, and beeing a closed design it can be put near walls, saving space. Just my 0,02.

Good luck to your search.

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Old 11th August 2019, 03:21 AM   #22
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Hello

With all the above in consideration, you should take a look to Visaton - La Belle

As long as you have the power you will have no problem getting those wofers to work, and beeing a closed design it can be put near walls, saving space. Just my 0,02.

Good luck to your search.

Carlos
Do you ha e experience with this design? I have read decent things about thenB 200, but the tweeter does not get good reviews.
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Old 11th August 2019, 03:42 AM   #23
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I really want to build something that will compliment the tube monoblocks
This amp has damping factor and power comparable to a solid state amp. The old rules of thumb that exploit the impedance interaction are not going to apply here.
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Old 11th August 2019, 11:40 AM   #24
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UPDATES: For now the idea of using what I build for LCR is off the table. These will be solely built for music.

Therefore, bass extension is going to be important. I can add a sub, but would rather not if possible.

I like the econowave idea, but SEOS 12 appears to be discontinued, as does the DNA-360. Leaving me with non standard design and DIY design that I would like to avoid.

I saw a few econowave style floor standers using EA TD12M - cool but spendy, worth the cost? Also the SEOS discontinued problem.

The Troels SBA 16 MTM looks interesting, but kinda spendy. Is it worth it? Would adding small 12” powered subs into the base of these in tower form be of great benefit?

LA Bella was also expensive and I did not find many reviews. If what I did find, they were somewhat mixed.

Paul - your designs.. how do they fit into this mix, given my criteria?
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Old 11th August 2019, 12:06 PM   #25
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The Troels sba16 MTM uses all of the volume for the two satori mw16 so you canít add another driver in that volume unless you totally redo the design and crossover. If you want to go down that route then sba10 or the sba741 with optional bass sub stand would be better.
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Old 11th August 2019, 01:24 PM   #26
BeanAnimal is offline BeanAnimal  United States
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The Troels sba16 MTM uses all of the volume for the two satori mw16 so you canít add another driver in that volume unless you totally redo the design and crossover. If you want to go down that route then sba10 or the sba741 with optional bass sub stand would be better.
I looked at both Troels and Martin Kingís SBA 16. The thought was to integrate a sub enclosure in an isolated compartment in a floor standing adaption, keeping the same baffle width and crossover as the original design, and running the sub from a different amp. That is, if the sub is even needed.

TBH - I think it best to look at robust 2-way design and add a sub if needed. I would like to steer clear of complex 3 way along,Mets if possible. Not only that but the SBA 10 and 741 are (to me) rather ugly and WAF would be a -100
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Old 11th August 2019, 01:43 PM   #27
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You could start by building the Kairos and then if needed add the sub section or build as others have with an integrated sub, just need to make sure baffles are the same side and volumes and ports are also.

https://meniscusaudio.com/wp-content...s-Write-up.pdf

Sub add on - The Kairos and Continuum Three-Way.pdf - Box

Kits are available.

Or if your woodwork is up to it and want to spend all of your budget then have a look at the Premios. Premios | Parts Express Project Gallery
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Old 11th August 2019, 02:29 PM   #28
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Russ, I sent you an email in response to your Post #24.
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Old 11th August 2019, 04:22 PM   #29
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non sequitur here - but I just can’t bring myself to click on any avsforum link anymore and can’t understand why anyone would patronize that site. Well placed advertisements and sponsored ads are one thing, well done native ads are even okay in moderate doses....

They ruined that site with an advertisement puke storm. You have to close a popup on every page load, inline images are covered with partial ads as you scroll. There are ads between almost every reply and every few posts there is an ad that looks like a post. There are ads in the header and ads in the sidebar. FWIW, my day job is in that (affiliate marketing, ad network) space...
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Old 11th August 2019, 08:09 PM   #30
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UPDATES: For now the idea of using what I build for LCR is off the table. These will be solely built for music.

Therefore, bass extension is going to be important. I can add a sub, but would rather not if possible.

-with a more traditional design, definitely the Elsinore(s).

It's got good extension in-room, and a fantastic crossover (phase response) + a very easy impedance. The crossover is easy (electrically speaking w/ components and wiring). The driver's aren't expensive, and the waveguide for the tweeter (though not inexpensive) is of very high quality.

The "Elsinore Project" Thread

Elsinore Speakers DIY

All with a reasonably narrow baffle ..and the baffles can be done to look good:
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