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Old 11th July 2019, 06:50 PM   #41
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I listen to classical music hours a day - two 24/7 non-commercial fm stations - and I cannot agree with your post. You are not helping with this.
My stations are KWAX and KQAC, both streaming on the web.
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Old 11th July 2019, 07:25 PM   #42
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I listen to classical music hours a day - two 24/7 non-commercial fm stations - and I cannot agree with your post. You are not helping with this.
My stations are KWAX and KQAC, both streaming on the web.
If that was addressed to me, I don't get your point. I listen to classical music as well and the speaker kits I listed are all excellent for that purpose.

I was responding to Moondog55 who claimed they would not be good for heavy metal. I don't listen to that, don't even consider it to be music at all, but am aware that it involves purposely distorting the guitar at very high SPLs.
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So my point was why bother spending money on quality drivers, particularly the excellent Satori woofer in the Adelphos, if you are going to send highly distorted sound through them.

In essence, I was agreeing with Moondog55, so I don't understand your objection.
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Old 11th July 2019, 07:30 PM   #43
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the fact that Nelson Pass who is a legend in the class A amp design field and has been exposed to everything the audio industry has to offer, has paid tribute to the late Siegfried by making an analog Xover for LX Minis should tell you A LOT.

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Old 11th July 2019, 07:44 PM   #44
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If that was addressed to me, I don't get your point. I listen to classical music as well and the speaker kits I listed are all excellent for that purpose.

I was responding to Moondog55 who claimed they would not be good for heavy metal. I don't listen to that, don't even consider it to be music at all, but am aware that it involves purposely distorting the guitar at very high SPLs.
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So my point was why bother spending money on quality drivers, particularly the excellent Satori woofer in the Adelphos, if you are going to send highly distorted sound through them.

In essence, I was agreeing with Moondog55, so I don't understand your objection.
Why is the original poster wanting to build speakers? If he's only going to use them in a work shop to listen to hard rock I would think he might be better served by buying the JBL bookshelves for $249 (arena or stage) and just enjoy the music. If the original poster just wants to build a nice looking speaker box that just hold average drivers then I just don't get the motivation there unless it's just to get his feet wet in learning how to build speakers.
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Old 11th July 2019, 08:41 PM   #45
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not sure if it matters… But I mostly listen to old country, blues, classic rock, stuff like that but have been known to crank up the volume on some of the modern stuff … I’m a big steel panther fan ( don’t judge me )
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If that was addressed to me, I don't get your point. I listen to classical music as well and the speaker kits I listed are all excellent for that purpose.

I was responding to Moondog55 who claimed they would not be good for heavy metal. I don't listen to that, don't even consider it to be music at all, but am aware that it involves purposely distorting the guitar at very high SPLs.
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So my point was why bother spending money on quality drivers, particularly the excellent Satori woofer in the Adelphos, if you are going to send highly distorted sound through them.

In essence, I was agreeing with Moondog55, so I don't understand your objection.
Our OP's taste does stil sound like music to my ears, I've even seen Steel Panther a couple of times . To me it seems a couple of Econowaves (do they fit within the budget? Considering the wood is free?) might be worth a try with the listening material the OP suggested.

What exactly is your definition of Heavy Metal? I'd say much of the stuff I play involves distorted guitars, I own a guitar and the equipment to distort it, but I still regard it as music, thank you. In reproducing this, I still care about the quality of the playback equipment.

With a genre list like the OP posted, I'd probably not go for single full range drivers. But I can't agree with the downplay of these genres in relation to the drivers needed to do it justice. It's really uncalled for i.m.h.o.

With good wood working skills a Synergy/Unity horn might be a wonderful project as well. But harder to stay within budget (more drivers). With the love for vintage stuff the two way horn/woofer combo (much like the Econowave) might be a good fit.

Lots to choose from, I bet making a horn is quite possible for someone with the skills to build these instruments...
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Old 11th July 2019, 09:56 PM   #46
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Our OP's taste does stil sound like music to my ears, I've even seen Steel Panther a couple of times . To me it seems a couple of Econowaves (do they fit within the budget? Considering the wood is free?) might be worth a try with the listening material the OP suggested.

What exactly is your definition of Heavy Metal? I'd say much of the stuff I play involves distorted guitars, I own a guitar and the equipment to distort it, but I still regard it as music, thank you. In reproducing this, I still care about the quality of the playback equipment.

With a genre list like the OP posted, I'd probably not go for single full range drivers. But I can't agree with the downplay of these genres in relation to the drivers needed to do it justice. It's really uncalled for i.m.h.o.

With good wood working skills a Synergy/Unity horn might be a wonderful project as well. But harder to stay within budget (more drivers). With the love for vintage stuff the two way horn/woofer combo (much like the Econowave) might be a good fit.

Lots to choose from, I bet making a horn is quite possible for someone with the skills to build these instruments...
This all goes back to Moondog55 posting that he doesn't think the various quality kits that were recommended by several of us are suitable for heavy metal. While he doesn't state it specifically, I assume he means that those speakers don't have the bass extension or power handling capability at low frequencies to match the demands of that genre.

I was just stating that given the loud, intentionally distorted guitar in that genre I doubt that speakers designed more specifically for sound quality, detail, and clarity are worth the extra cost. They are designed and intended for an entirely different purpose. In essence, I was agreeing with Moondog55, but without offering a solution.

Also listening to that genre requires a lot of bass power capacity in the amp as well as the drivers. And I'm not sure that the amp the OP is considering is up to the job. There has been no discussion so far about speaker efficiency, which should be addressed as well.

I do agree with you, however, about trying to use full range drivers. They are not well suited for this application.
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Old 11th July 2019, 10:02 PM   #47
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You might want to look at the 12” Fane for playing loud. Needs a substantial box (or a room next door you can use to turn the wall into a baffle — but that does not involve much woodwork..

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Old 11th July 2019, 10:17 PM   #48
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You might want to look at the 12 Fane for playing loud. Needs a substantial box (or a room next door you can use to turn the wall into a baffle but that does not involve much woodwork..

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Good suggestion, Dave.

I was thinking more in terms of a 4" to 6" FR like the MAs. But a 12" Fane or similar pro audio driver might be just the ticket. Why not use the same driver that you would hear amplified in person at a live concert.

That might produce a sound much closer to the real thing than anything else.
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Old 11th July 2019, 10:41 PM   #49
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Volt 10 V2 from diysoundgroup plus a sub, for those moments when the music just cannot be subtle. The coaxial format addresses the movement around the space issue, and adding a sub to a larger 'satellite' is more easily done than working with toy boxes.
Barney,

I kind of skipped over this the first time, but now with Dave's post about using a pro audio driver I went back and realized the wisdom of it for your type of listening.

I think phivates may have given you the best suggestion yet for getting the Volt 10 V2 kit. I would take a good serious look at it instead of what some of us have been suggesting with more classical two way designs.
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Old 11th July 2019, 11:27 PM   #50
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Sorry if I offended anybody. I'm not a fan of heavy metal as a regular diet but I own albums and when I play them I listen to them loud, the artists intend this music to listened to loud. So "Yes" I did indeed mean that speakers to play this genre at the proper listening volume need deep and reasonably extended bass but also fast attack and the ability to hit 105dB occasionally etc.
Just because the music itself is distorted doesn't mean you don't need clean reproduction. But I also listen to classical symphonic music, modern music, jazz and especially female voices on jazz and on the odd occasion Willy Nelson et-al
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