It does.
The cone is different though, especially around the dustcap.
Moreover, despite its generous X-max, the Beyma wouldn't appreciate port tuning at 22kHz.
They pretend to use TAD, but that presumably applies to the comp. driver.
The only TAD woofer with a similar cone/dustcap is the TL-1602, but that one has a foam surround instead of a triple roll.
The cone is different though, especially around the dustcap.
Moreover, despite its generous X-max, the Beyma wouldn't appreciate port tuning at 22kHz.
They pretend to use TAD, but that presumably applies to the comp. driver.
The only TAD woofer with a similar cone/dustcap is the TL-1602, but that one has a foam surround instead of a triple roll.
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It depends on your application.
Beyma is on par with Faital quality wise.
Beyma also offers a few low priced large format cone drivers that are still very good, whereas Faital's portfolio is smaller and more aimed towards the mid and higher end of the market.
I like Beyma 1" compression drivers very much, but would prefer Faital for 3" diaphragm drivers.
The Faital 3" drivers are very hard to beat.
I'll check out the HF1440 shortly.
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The CP-380/M, CP-385Nd have been benchmark 1" drivers for years.
They sound good, measure well, play lower than nearly any other modern 1" driver, without nasty sonic artefacts.
The newer drivers (CD-10Fe/N, CD-10Nd, CD-11Fe, CD-11Nd etc.) are also very good.
For hifi the difference is probably neglectable.
The CD-11Nd with PM4 polymer diaphragm is interesting:
The 44mm Faital drivers would work crossed around 1kHz, especially the HF108 and HF10AK.
They sound good, measure well, play lower than nearly any other modern 1" driver, without nasty sonic artefacts.
The newer drivers (CD-10Fe/N, CD-10Nd, CD-11Fe, CD-11Nd etc.) are also very good.
For hifi the difference is probably neglectable.
The CD-11Nd with PM4 polymer diaphragm is interesting:
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The 44mm Faital drivers would work crossed around 1kHz, especially the HF108 and HF10AK.
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daemonsgr, I assume you are located in the UK?
This is probably the best driver currently available in Europe at €65 each, if you order a pair.
The only possible downside is the radial phase plug, that usually works better with Tractrix and similar horns.
This is probably the best driver currently available in Europe at €65 each, if you order a pair.
The only possible downside is the radial phase plug, that usually works better with Tractrix and similar horns.
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This is the diaphragm of the HF10RK:
It'll sound in accordance with its looks: velvety smooth, or like someone commented: painfully smooth.
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It'll sound in accordance with its looks: velvety smooth, or like someone commented: painfully smooth.
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wow! better than more expensive faital models?
does the same (bayma vs faital) follows the woofers? I was aiming for a 15p80nd (got some bad comments for the 2226h I had as a first choice) but do faital get better quality sound and response?
thanks
No, it's not better than the more expensive Faitals, but it's good especially at the current sale price > it's discontinued.
You won't find a similar Nd driver for that kind of money.
After my previous post I came across a recent DIY project on a French forum.
The thread starter did exactly what I would strongly discourage: mount the HF10RK to a diffraction horn (JBL 2370 clone).
Evidently, it didn't work out.
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This is a very good Limmer horn and used in numerous diy projects and kits in Germany, one of which is called "Tricolore":
If you search "Limmer 033", you'll find many measurements with different drivers.
It was also used in this (German) high end loudspeaker:
Naturally yes, but it depends on several factors, i.e. the horn (preferably wide), the room in which the speakers will be used, placement in the room, listening distance/position etc. etc.
Along the thread many large format studio monitors in MTM configuration were posted.
- MTMs have a narrower dispersion which will reduce floor and ceiling bounce.
- The major drawback is bad vertical off-axis response (off-axis nulls).
- MTMs are best used on axis in the vertical plane, whereas a MT generally produces a wider vertical dispersion pattern.
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The 15P80Nd is a very nice driver, but also quite expensive.
In my country (and for HiFi applications), I would buy a pair of 15FH500s instead of one 15P80Nd and still have some money left over.
I guess the Beyma would crush the old 2226H though.
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OK, don't remember who made the stuff I shot in the '60s, '70s down here in the Deep South, though thinking it was Atlanta's own Zac-Lac [the folks that created Richard Petty Racing Blue], just remember how messy and the PITA it was to do right. I searched for 'fur', 'fuzz', 'peach fuzz' paint to no avail.
Regardless, have wondered what type coating it is [do like the looks of it] and pretty sure I've never been exposed to Nextel coated horns/whatever, but if humidity affects it, won't work around here except indoors with a good A/C system.
GM
I didn't even know Nextel was already available in the 60s.
It seems likely the compound has improved throughout the years.
On the other hand, we've seen some badly damaged Nextel coated cabs from the 90s and 2000s.
I also like the looks, but not if it's all ragged, jagged and sticky
It seems likely the compound has improved throughout the years.
On the other hand, we've seen some badly damaged Nextel coated cabs from the 90s and 2000s.
I also like the looks, but not if it's all ragged, jagged and sticky
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Yep, that's what I mostly shot the suede on.
Anyway, sheesh! Forgot to search 'suede'
...... went straight to it! Dulux [knew it was an oddball name], though appears to have changed [been 'toned down'] and they have velvet too, though not sure if it's the brand from way back when. Either one might be worth a try on a relatively coarse finish like the old alum. Altecs, plus water based now, so should have no humidity issues: Dulux Design Suede Effect
GM
Yeah, just read up on it, so probably seen plenty of it in my time ['67-94] doing projects for military, aerospace, blast furnaces, et al, as well as being around all manner of pro racing for most of my life and got the poor hearing to prove it
. GM
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Well, depending on how you photograph it even the cone center looks quite similar. And it seems to use the same dustcap.
And I fully agree with you that a port tuning at 22 kHz wouldn't make any sense ! That would not even work with a superexpensive TAD.
Mine use a tuning frequency around 30 Hz BTW.
Regarding the "generous x-max": From the voice-coil overhang I regard them as having an x-max of +- 5 mm. Which is still sufficient IMO. I strongly believe that a two-way speaker is seriously underdimensioned if its woofer regularily exceeds +- 3mm of excursion.
And the ones on the Model 5 are definitley not TAD or JBL drivers because they are lacking that typical brushed front of the basket.
It could be that these woofers are indeed built by Beyma but that they are a custom build.
Regards
Charles
Well, depending on how you photograph it even the cone center looks quite similar. And it seems to use the same dustcap.
And I fully agree with you that a port tuning at 22 kHz wouldn't make any sense !
That would not even work with a superexpensive TAD. Mine use a tuning frequency around 30 Hz BTW.
Regarding the "generous x-max": From the voice-coil overhang I regard them as having an x-max of +- 5 mm. Which is still sufficient IMO. I strongly believe that a two-way speaker is seriously underdimensioned if its woofer regularily exceeds +- 3mm of excursion.
And the ones on the Model 5 are definitley not TAD or JBL drivers because they are lacking that typical brushed front of the basket.
It could be that these woofers are indeed built by Beyma but that they are a custom build.
Regards
Charles
