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Is it possible to cover the whole spectrum, high spl, low distortion with a 2-way?
Is it possible to cover the whole spectrum, high spl, low distortion with a 2-way?
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Old 18th May 2019, 04:04 PM   #451
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Are those the crossovers on top of the speaker? Crazy lookin stuff if it is!

Anyone know what kind of dog that is or if a mix....a mix of what?

We have some Great Pyrenees/coonhound mix that resembles that one......cool look whatever it is.
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Old 18th May 2019, 04:16 PM   #452
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The YS-500 utilizes the DE500 (which is also used by Dr. Geddes in his loudspeakers) and the Eminence 2515.

I like the overall concept of the YS-500, but the bass lacks weight due to the open back.
In a large cab the same Eminence would easily go down to 35Hz in a room and would be easier to set up as well.
The diysoundgroup's Sentinel-15, in the large cab variant, is a very straightforward design that would probably give the YS-500 a run for its money.
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Old 18th May 2019, 04:36 PM   #453
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Are those the crossovers on top of the speaker? Crazy lookin stuff if it is!

Anyone know what kind of dog that is or if a mix....a mix of what?

We have some Great Pyrenees/coonhound mix that resembles that one......cool look whatever it is.
The dog appears to be a Whippet or Greyhound of sorts.

On top of the Altec utility cabs are either power supplies for Field Coils, or (parts of) large WE tube amps.

The guy with the dog (Vincent Gallo) made a number of rather unusual movies. This is a scene from one of those.
The Vitalic track (not his best) brings back some good memories from the "ElectroClash" era.

The "PA" is not representative of his setup at home

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Old 18th May 2019, 04:55 PM   #454
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The dog appears to be a Whippet or Greyhound of sorts.

On top of the Altec utility cabs are either power supplies for Field Coils, or (parts of) large WE tube amps.

The guy with the dog (Vincent Gallo) made some rather unusual movies. This is a scene from one of those.
The Vitalic track (not his best) brings back some good memories from the "ElectroClash" era.

The "PA" is not representative of his setup at home
Wow! .......the good stuff!
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Old 18th May 2019, 05:40 PM   #455
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Still...I bet there will be plenty of folks who prefer the midrange of the WE757A to that of the 2404 in a 1 on 1 comparison. How could that be?
hint: these people are not all crazy
When we compare the paintings, for example, Renoir, the impressionist vs Charles Bell (Gumball Machine), the photorealist, most of us consider Renoir is a more respectful artist and the his art is actually much more expensive than the Bell's, despite Bell's art is much more realistic than Renoir's blurry image. (And WE is much more $$$ than Pioneer)

Some audiophiles value the recorded music's photo realistic reality, but the other people do not deny the "reality", which is, the recorded music is actually nothing but a fake stereo image that we precept as a 3D space with ridiculous 3d glasses. The difference is if one wants to listen to the recorded music as a virtual reality, or as an art.

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Old 18th May 2019, 06:01 PM   #456
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Plasnu, I like your analogy, even though I can already smell the rationalists/objectivists approaching.

Perception of sound is a subjective affair.
At home there are a lot factors contributing to the actual perception.
That's also why I don't take 80-90% of the so called audiophiles seriously.
Often times these folks are listening (to a limited collection of approved audiophile recordings > boring!!!) for certain aspects > dimensions of the "soundstage", resolution, extension etc. This is the target market for most manufacturers of dime a dozen audiophile loudspeakers.

Even 2 identical live performances of the same piece of music by the same orchestra may sound quite different, depending on the hall/theatre in which the performance takes place.

Most of us have probably read or participated in endless discussions on the topic here or elsewhere.

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Old 18th May 2019, 06:55 PM   #457
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As for the WE757A vs TAD 2402 comparison, I think the 728B contributes considerably to the subjectively perceived quality of the midrange.

From the WE response plots, shown earlier, it's clear this is a true wideband driver.
Contrary to the TAD 2404, the 757A isn't a high sensitivity 2-way monitor, but apart from the lower efficiency the 728B, like its little brother (the 755A) are exceptional drivers, even by today's standards. The secret is in the cone.
These are not perfectly linear, but without major defects. The 728B adds some "warmth" and "body" to the 757A's midrange that many people will appreciate.

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Old 18th May 2019, 07:36 PM   #458
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Ro808, I bought the clones for half the price of the drivers, I planned to use them in another project, but hey sound really good as built now. Surprisingly low playing in room even in non ideal placement.
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Old 18th May 2019, 08:09 PM   #459
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That sounds like a great deal.

Do you have some images?
I wonder if your horns are also clones of those in the original YS-500s.
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Old 18th May 2019, 08:42 PM   #460
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Yes, a killer deal. A picture is here: Yamamoto YS-500
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