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Old 19th December 2017, 05:07 AM   #11
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I'm really familiar with the Audio Technology C-Quenze 6.5" mid bass drivers in a 2-way. I've owned them, and enjoyed them. I only wish they had more slam and bass. What other drivers sound really good like this, but offer a bit more aggressive sounding bass ?
I recommend the Eclipse W6520R sold by Meniscus and designed with help of Jeff Bagby. Doesn't go quite as low as the Anarchy but close, with very low distortion and a beautiful midrange. Best of all, it's an amazing value at $70.

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"It's not a Satori or Revelator, but in the law of diminishing returns it's closer than the price would indicate. Plus, it doesn't have the mark-up a lot of those drivers have. I believe if it were coming from Europe it would probably cost twice as much, and we should take that into consideration".
Some measurements here.

It's my favorite woofer right now, and consider it superior to the SB17s I have owned (Paper and aluminum) and the Vifa NE180.

And yes, it slams. I've got 4 in MTM 20L cabinets and the bass is impressive. F3 45hz, F10 31hz.

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Old 19th December 2017, 07:18 AM   #12
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I recommend the Eclipse W6520R sold by Meniscus and designed with help of Jeff Bagby. Doesn't go quite as low as the Anarchy but close, with very low distortion and a beautiful midrange. Best of all, it's an amazing value at $70.

To quote Jeff:

Some measurements here.

It's my favorite woofer right now, and consider it superior to the SB17s I have owned (Paper and aluminum) and the Vifa NE180.

And yes, it slams. I've got 4 in MTM 20L cabinets and the bass is impressive. F3 45hz, F10 31hz.
Better than NE series? High praise
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Old 19th December 2017, 10:58 AM   #13
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6 inches and slam Fusion

or perhaps look for an eight incher like this DTQWT-mkIII
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Old 19th December 2017, 05:57 PM   #14
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..does it work in real life?
Yup. (..though it might not be precisely as modeled, though you are better off with impedance measured in-box.)

Note however that impedance is variable with input/excursion. It works at lower input levels. At higher input with excursion nearing xmax the impedance starts flattening-out anyway. The thing is though, most people don't listen at those levels - so it's almost always beneficial.

The down-side is that component quality still counts - so it can be tough getting a good ratio of cap performance to sound quality in a large value cap. (..and of course generally shoot for low very resistance for the inductor.) Numerous sources have reported that component performance is NOT substantive in this position - and though they aren't AS detrimental/beneficial as a "signal" component, it still matters. (..even Tony Gee (Humblehomemade.com) came to this conclusion at some point.) Of course a series notch filter for your tweeter has a greater reliance on cap-quality than the bass/midrange does.
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Old 20th December 2017, 02:32 AM   #15
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You cd try the excellent 8" HDS nomex, which can be used in a 2 way. Great value, shd supply the bass you need.
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Old 20th December 2017, 06:14 AM   #16
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The down-side is that component quality still counts - so it can be tough getting a good ratio of cap performance to sound quality in a large value cap.
Correction:

..it can be tough getting a good ratio of cap performance (sound quality) to PRICE in a large value cap..



The larger CSA from ClarityCap seems to hit the price-performance balance about as well as possible based on Tony Gee's cap test.

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Humble Homemade Hifi - Cap Test

(..I've not heard them myself mind you.)
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Old 20th December 2017, 03:32 PM   #17
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The CSA can sound a bit flashy on the treble. Adding a 10% of Mundorf Supreme helps to add bit more dimensionality to the soundstage.
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Old 20th December 2017, 05:11 PM   #18
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Default A nice affordable one: Dynavox LW6004PMR-N

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I'm really familiar with the Audio Technology C-Quenze 6.5" mid bass drivers in a 2-way....What other drivers sound really good like this, but offer a bit more aggressive sounding bass ?

Dynavox LW6004PMR-N 6-1/2" Poly Cone Woofer
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Old 21st December 2017, 12:23 AM   #19
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I've no idea about the upper-end clarity, but these should be a bit more "tactile":

B&C 6NDL44 6-1/2" Professional Neodymium Woofer 8 Ohm

Ciare 6.38NDW - Ciare 6.38NDW is a 6.5 inch lightweight neodymium speaker for all mid-bass speaker systems- Ciare Speakers - Ciare 6.38NDW 6.5 inch lighweight neodymium speaker for bass guitar speaker systems. Ciare 6.38NDW 6.5 inch mid-bass speakers


-the Ciare slightly more so than the B&C.


Note: there is a MUCH broader range of potential drivers in the 8" grouping.
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Old 21st December 2017, 12:31 AM   #20
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Forgot about the dynavox..built in bsc, v easy to use.
missed that $15 each deal that MCM had a few months back.
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