Hey all,
I have been doing research for a long time now and have also done some builds from around the web.
I think I am finally ready to try and take my speaker obsession to the next level.
I am wanting to build a system that has perfectly matched LCR for my main living room for home theater and music listening.
The way I see it I have a couple approaches.
Please Note: I do not like the way horns sound. I know the ecnowave designs are big right now and I also dont have the funds to try and build synergy clones.
Anways:
I can build some speakers with 8" Coaxial (the Failtal Pro offerings are my top pick) and either two or one 8" midbass drivers similar to a JTR Triple 8 that way I can have a horizontal center channel that matches perfectly. I am leaning to only have the 1 coax and 1 8" woofer in each cab as that will cut down on size but I can go to 24" tall.(I need to keep these as monitors) The reason for having the 8" mid-bass is because I want to cross over before the midrange in the coaxial starts to work too hard and cause any sort of additional distortion to the treble due to cone movement.
The other option would be to go more of a "hi-fi" route and I was thinking about possibly going with a 4" midrange from scanspeak (possibly revelator) and then having a 10" woofer and tweeter. With this approach I would try to focus mainly on quality of the sound but would want to keep it hopefully in the high 80s range.
My reason for this choice is it would allow the mirange to be controlled primarily by one driver throughout the majority of its range. In my experience this seems to give the best clarity.
Then the center channel could have a WTMW alignment to avoid lobbing but that may have to be with 8" woofers instead of the 10" due to size.
I am at a bit of a loss of what way I should go.
Can anyone offer any input?
Thanks,
B
I have been doing research for a long time now and have also done some builds from around the web.
I think I am finally ready to try and take my speaker obsession to the next level.
I am wanting to build a system that has perfectly matched LCR for my main living room for home theater and music listening.
The way I see it I have a couple approaches.
Please Note: I do not like the way horns sound. I know the ecnowave designs are big right now and I also dont have the funds to try and build synergy clones.
Anways:
I can build some speakers with 8" Coaxial (the Failtal Pro offerings are my top pick) and either two or one 8" midbass drivers similar to a JTR Triple 8 that way I can have a horizontal center channel that matches perfectly. I am leaning to only have the 1 coax and 1 8" woofer in each cab as that will cut down on size but I can go to 24" tall.(I need to keep these as monitors) The reason for having the 8" mid-bass is because I want to cross over before the midrange in the coaxial starts to work too hard and cause any sort of additional distortion to the treble due to cone movement.
The other option would be to go more of a "hi-fi" route and I was thinking about possibly going with a 4" midrange from scanspeak (possibly revelator) and then having a 10" woofer and tweeter. With this approach I would try to focus mainly on quality of the sound but would want to keep it hopefully in the high 80s range.
My reason for this choice is it would allow the mirange to be controlled primarily by one driver throughout the majority of its range. In my experience this seems to give the best clarity.
Then the center channel could have a WTMW alignment to avoid lobbing but that may have to be with 8" woofers instead of the 10" due to size.
I am at a bit of a loss of what way I should go.
Can anyone offer any input?
Thanks,
B
I'm not sure where you want to go, or if you have the ability to design your own crossovers?!
What size is your setting (garage?/people). What amps you have?
Coax+woofer/sub or 2/3-Ways?
As an example for a 3-Way that is not a horn design.
Jenzen-Illuminator
The Madisound Speaker Store
The Madisound Speaker Store
The Madisound Speaker Store
A 3-Way with Seas drivers here,
CYCLOP
What size is your setting (garage?/people). What amps you have?
Coax+woofer/sub or 2/3-Ways?
As an example for a 3-Way that is not a horn design.
Jenzen-Illuminator
The Madisound Speaker Store
The Madisound Speaker Store
The Madisound Speaker Store
A 3-Way with Seas drivers here,
CYCLOP
As a second thought with the coaxs idea, I would make something like the Beyma coax and a 10" working as a sub maybe with second sub amp.
10" sub + 10" coax configuration (Beyma+Eminence):
Beyma Coaxial Speakers - Beyma 10XC25 coaxial speakers - Beyma 10XC25 500 watt 10" coaxial speakers for all 2-way applications. Beyma 10XC25 coxial speaker and other Beyma 10" coaxial speakers here.
Eminence Legend BP102-4 10" Bass Guitar Driver 4 Ohm 290-470
A third idea would be going with a different speaker starting with the miid of your choice like these 6" drivers below.
Faital Pro 6PR150 6.5" Speakers - Faital Pro 6PR150 midrange speaker that has a lightweight neodymium magnet - Faital Pro 6PR150 300 watt 6.5" has an efficiency of 97dB SPL woofer for all high quality midrange applications. Faital Pro 6PR150
B&C 6MD38 6-1/2" Midrange Speaker 294-651
10" sub + 10" coax configuration (Beyma+Eminence):
Beyma Coaxial Speakers - Beyma 10XC25 coaxial speakers - Beyma 10XC25 500 watt 10" coaxial speakers for all 2-way applications. Beyma 10XC25 coxial speaker and other Beyma 10" coaxial speakers here.
Eminence Legend BP102-4 10" Bass Guitar Driver 4 Ohm 290-470
A third idea would be going with a different speaker starting with the miid of your choice like these 6" drivers below.
Faital Pro 6PR150 6.5" Speakers - Faital Pro 6PR150 midrange speaker that has a lightweight neodymium magnet - Faital Pro 6PR150 300 watt 6.5" has an efficiency of 97dB SPL woofer for all high quality midrange applications. Faital Pro 6PR150
B&C 6MD38 6-1/2" Midrange Speaker 294-651
One of the main reasons for me wanting to take this on and doing a complete design on my own is to learn crossover design.
They way I plan to make this work is by having an external crossover so that I can make adjustments/improvements as I learn more.
This will be done by building the speaker to have binding posts for each driver. This will also allow me to set up a speaker actively with a miniDSP to help figure out the proper crossover frequencies.
No matter what I build there will be additional subwoofers. In my experience you have to use multiple subwoofers to have the best bass because of the nulls in my room.
The Jenzen Illuminator looks good but is too big unless I can build a smaller version. However, seeing as how it is a transmission line I dont really know if you can get it much smaller than what it is for the bass driver.
Going the route with Dual 10" drivers in one cab may work out great. I was thinking that last night when I was away from the computer but the limit to that could possibly be center channel integration due to size. However, I could skip the second 10" driver in the center channel and just have the coaxial there....
The idea of using a 6.5" driver like the Faital Pro that you show above is certainly an option I am willing to explore further. Right off the top of my head it would possibly work well with a 12" bass driver and then some sort of tweeter...
I know that I said I dont like horns but a small wave guide may work well there above that 6.5" mid. Which then also makes me wonder if the horn that I did not care for was possibly just specific to that design as I imagine a smaller horn could be less prone to HOMs....
Going the route of the 6.5" with small horn on top would also make for a pretty good center with possibly dual 8" mid-bass drivers for the center rather than a 12".
Another option would be to still keep the 8" coax from Failal in the design and then have a 12" bass driver for the mains and 8" mid-bass driver for the center.
For some reason I think an appropriate name for a speaker with a 8" coax and 12" bass driver would be "Fat Lady Sings".
Also I think it may be worth pointing out that the best speaker I have heard have used dome tweeters but I am well aware that they are very limited and can have a very small sweet spot which is not the greatest for home theater uses. Or am I mistaken about how small their sweet spot is?
They way I plan to make this work is by having an external crossover so that I can make adjustments/improvements as I learn more.
This will be done by building the speaker to have binding posts for each driver. This will also allow me to set up a speaker actively with a miniDSP to help figure out the proper crossover frequencies.
No matter what I build there will be additional subwoofers. In my experience you have to use multiple subwoofers to have the best bass because of the nulls in my room.
The Jenzen Illuminator looks good but is too big unless I can build a smaller version. However, seeing as how it is a transmission line I dont really know if you can get it much smaller than what it is for the bass driver.
Going the route with Dual 10" drivers in one cab may work out great. I was thinking that last night when I was away from the computer but the limit to that could possibly be center channel integration due to size. However, I could skip the second 10" driver in the center channel and just have the coaxial there....
The idea of using a 6.5" driver like the Faital Pro that you show above is certainly an option I am willing to explore further. Right off the top of my head it would possibly work well with a 12" bass driver and then some sort of tweeter...
I know that I said I dont like horns but a small wave guide may work well there above that 6.5" mid. Which then also makes me wonder if the horn that I did not care for was possibly just specific to that design as I imagine a smaller horn could be less prone to HOMs....
Going the route of the 6.5" with small horn on top would also make for a pretty good center with possibly dual 8" mid-bass drivers for the center rather than a 12".
Another option would be to still keep the 8" coax from Failal in the design and then have a 12" bass driver for the mains and 8" mid-bass driver for the center.
For some reason I think an appropriate name for a speaker with a 8" coax and 12" bass driver would be "Fat Lady Sings".
Also I think it may be worth pointing out that the best speaker I have heard have used dome tweeters but I am well aware that they are very limited and can have a very small sweet spot which is not the greatest for home theater uses. Or am I mistaken about how small their sweet spot is?
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