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Charles Darwin 24th January 2013 08:53 PM

Thanks Helmuth!

tvrgeek 24th January 2013 09:33 PM

Please note, my favorite little program, WinISD, is only good at guessing LF response in various boxes. It can't help at all with the high end roll-off and breakup issues. It can't help tell you about OB problems as that is a design of the baffle issue. IB can be simulated by a monstrously large sealed box. You have to MEASURE yourself the rest.

Don't know what speaker Helmuth has the plots for, but look at the scale! It would be embarrassing if this was one of the fore-mentioned raved about JBL's. :D

Helmuth 24th January 2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tvrgeek (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/228494-looking-recomendations-15-woofers-post3340831.html#post3340831)
Please note, my favorite little program, WinISD, is only good at guessing LF response in various boxes. It can't help at all with the high end roll-off and breakup issues. It can't help tell you about OB problems as that is a design of the baffle issue. IB can be simulated by a monstrously large sealed box. You have to MEASURE yourself the rest.

Don't know what speaker Helmuth has the plots for, but look at the scale! It would be embarrassing if this was one of the fore-mentioned raved about JBL's. :D

Sim of JBL2226G an the beyma 15lx60v2. both in same volume and br-tuning, as you see they are almost identical. Only the linear extrusion of the beyma is much bigger then the older jbl. So the beyma will have also low THD at high volume.
And again the beyma wins in the subbas area.

The rolloffin winisd is the result of the voice coil induction. It can be flat response in practice above the rolloff what you see in the simulation.

https://static.bax-shop.nl/component...t/15LX60V2.jpg

DougL 25th January 2013 05:11 AM

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Don't know what speaker Helmuth has the plots for, but look at the scale! It would be embarrassing if this was one of the fore-mentioned raved about JBL's.
Unfortunately all of the drivers have to obey the laws of physics.
This is all about trade offs.
The 15" pro mid-ranges trade low base extension and upper frequency cone breakup for efficiency and low distortion. Is it a good trade? I don't know. It depends on the skill of the designer and the style of the music, I suspect.
The Beyma looks like a great woofer.

Thanks to all who responded so far.

Helmuth 25th January 2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DougL (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/228494-looking-recomendations-15-woofers-post3341234.html#post3341234)
Unfortunately all of the drivers have to obey the laws of physics.
This is all about trade offs.

That is precise where it comes to. I have simulated a hole lot the last 10 years.

When you want more efficiency you get less subbas and the same the other way around.

I like beyma because they spec the second and third harmonic so one can get a idea of what you get.

Charles Darwin 25th January 2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Helmuth (https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/228494-looking-recomendations-15-woofers-post3341456.html#post3341456)
That is precise where it comes to. I have simulated a hole lot the last 10 years.

When you want more efficiency you get less subbas and the same the other way around.

I like beyma because they spec the second and third harmonic so one can get a idea of what you get.

That's why I liked the look of the 15P80Fe.
THD in the low bass seems quite a bit lower than the 15LX60V2 although roles are reversed between 80 and 180Hz or so. They cost 155 and 130 (LX60) without VAT here respectively.

Helmuth 25th January 2013 01:39 PM

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For higher efficiency. 99dB wmtr -6dB 35HZ

Beyma 15lw30

And

18 sound 15MB606

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/atta...1&d=1359124688

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/atta...1&d=1359124758

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/atta...1&d=1359124934

Helmuth 25th January 2013 07:51 PM

15mb606
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15lw30
https://www.elmuz.com.pl/sklep/galerie/1/15lw30_132.jpg

Helmuth 27th January 2013 08:47 AM

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We have to support the Greek economy to , look at the oberton 15b500.
https://www.lautsprechershop.de/pa/c...ton_15b500.jpg

and a other nice one 18sound 15nw530.

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/atta...1&d=1359280009

darkmatter 2nd December 2017 10:54 AM

The Beyma 15LX60v2 could be a contender?


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