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Best midrange to pair with Beyma TPL-150
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Old 7th November 2018, 02:47 PM   #731
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Saw the new Beyma 8MC500ND. Looks very interesting for paaring with TPL150. Someone tested it yet?
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Old 7th November 2018, 11:01 PM   #732
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Google did not find private measurements on the Beyma 8MC500Nd .

"Beyma unveiled a new family of woofers with patented Maltcross technology, with new 8, 10, 12, and 15-inch models, all with an optimized neodymium motor structure of very low weight. The concept for this new family is to achieve high efficiency in bass and mid/bass applications for high performance systems where high sensitivity, high linearity, low distortion, low weight and high total SPL are required.

The Beyma 8MC500Nd is a speaker with 2.5” coil, a sensitivity of around 98 dB, excellent power handling of 500 W AES and weight around 2.8 Kg. The new 10MC700Nd, 12MC700Nd and 15MC700Nd are 3” coil models, with sensitivities between 97 and 99 dB, nominal power of 700 W AES and weights between 3.6 and 4 Kg. Beyma’s Maltcross technology allows these new speakers a very efficient cooling of the voice coil, which reduces the losses by power compression and results in a more constant SPL, offering performance similar to models with larger motors and coils, which is an objective advantage in weight and performance."

The 8" Faital 8PR200 with 95db sensitivity and NdFeB motor produces a lower -F3 closed box crossover frequency.

From the SPL curve, both would allow a simple 2kHz crossover.
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Old 7th November 2018, 11:09 PM   #733
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Saw the new Beyma 8MC500ND. Looks very interesting for paaring with TPL150. Someone tested it yet?
No, but I will be testing the 10MC700Nd when it hits US shores. I already have seen preliminary data on it, but I prefer to do my own testing, even with mediocre equipment, so it's on the same level playing field as the other testing I have done

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Google did not find private measurements on the Beyma 8MC500Nd .
Google is weak. What Google can't find, I can

8MC500Nd FR & distortion, presumably at 2.83V/1m:
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HD in the upper-bass/lower-mid range looks impressive.

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Old 8th November 2018, 11:54 AM   #734
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[QUOTE=OscarS;5595667]No, but I will be testing the 10MC700Nd when it hits US shores. I already have seen preliminary data on it, but I prefer to do my own testing, even with mediocre equipment, so it's on the same level playing field as the other testing I have done


Yes the 10MC700Nd is also a nice piece!


You will test it in combo with the TPL150? Anyway, please share your experience with it.
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Old 8th November 2018, 12:25 PM   #735
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Google did not find private measurements on the Beyma 8MC500Nd .

"Beyma unveiled a new family of woofers with patented Maltcross technology, with new 8, 10, 12, and 15-inch models, all with an optimized neodymium motor structure of very low weight. The concept for this new family is to achieve high efficiency in bass and mid/bass applications for high performance systems where high sensitivity, high linearity, low distortion, low weight and high total SPL are required.

The Beyma 8MC500Nd is a speaker with 2.5” coil, a sensitivity of around 98 dB, excellent power handling of 500 W AES and weight around 2.8 Kg. The new 10MC700Nd, 12MC700Nd and 15MC700Nd are 3” coil models, with sensitivities between 97 and 99 dB, nominal power of 700 W AES and weights between 3.6 and 4 Kg. Beyma’s Maltcross technology allows these new speakers a very efficient cooling of the voice coil, which reduces the losses by power compression and results in a more constant SPL, offering performance similar to models with larger motors and coils, which is an objective advantage in weight and performance."

The 8" Faital 8PR200 with 95db sensitivity and NdFeB motor produces a lower -F3 closed box crossover frequency.

From the SPL curve, both would allow a simple 2kHz crossover.
Not aware of these. From looking at specs, and from having looked at many 8" specs as midranges for TPL:
  • B&C 8PE21 is rated 98 dB sensitivity, 0.5mH Le, 2.7 motor strength/Mms. Very well regarded midrange
  • Faital 8PR155 is rated 97 dB sens, 0.41 mH Le, 1.4 motor strength/Mms. Very well regarded
  • Faital 8FE200 is rated 95 dB sens, 0.44 mH Le, 0.8 motor strength/Mms. Very well regarded

If higher sensitivity is desired/required, 18Sound 10NDA610 (10") or 6ND410 (6") at 102 dB sens look interesting on paper.

My two cents, and going from specs only: the Beyma 8MC500Nd doesn't look better than these to me.
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Old 8th November 2018, 12:39 PM   #736
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Not aware of these. From looking at specs, and from having looked at many 8" specs as midranges for TPL:
  • B&C 8PE21 is rated 98 dB sensitivity, 0.5mH Le, 2.7 motor strength/Mms. Very well regarded midrange
  • Faital 8PR155 is rated 97 dB sens, 0.41 mH Le, 1.4 motor strength/Mms. Very well regarded
  • Faital 8FE200 is rated 95 dB sens, 0.44 mH Le, 0.8 motor strength/Mms. Very well regarded

If higher sensitivity is desired/required, 18Sound 10NDA610 (10") or 6ND410 (6") at 102 dB sens look interesting on paper.

My two cents, and going from specs only: the Beyma 8MC500Nd doesn't look better than these to me.

The 8PE21 is really good. I own and love them

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No, but I will be testing the 10MC700Nd when it hits US shores. I already have seen preliminary data on it, but I prefer to do my own testing, even with mediocre equipment, so it's on the same level playing field as the other testing I have done


Yes the 10MC700Nd is also a nice piece!


You will test it in combo with the TPL150? Anyway, please share your experience with it.
I might test it with the TPL-150 since I have it anyways, but I will eventually test it with many AMT's.

Please bookmark/subscribe to this thread to be notified when I get to post up my final measurements of the midbasses alone:

War of the 10" Monster Midbasses!
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Old 8th November 2018, 11:20 PM   #738
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The 8PE21 is really good. I own and love them
Glad to read this.
Do you pair them with TPL-150H? Active or passive xo? At what frequency do you cross them to the tweeter?
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Old 9th November 2018, 01:57 AM   #739
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the B&C 8FW51 isn't too shabby either!
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Old 9th November 2018, 09:23 AM   #740
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Glad to read this.
Do you pair them with TPL-150H? Active or passive xo? At what frequency do you cross them to the tweeter?

Hi, yes together with the TPL in active setup. XO is at 1600 with 12 dB-LR. Sub is the B&C 15ndl76.
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