everyone?? that is certainly not the impression I get here at diyaudio
How about DIY Gradient instead ?Anyone ?
I believe that the idea can be implemented better than in this Gradient
I agree but most ceiling firing designs create first order ceiling reflections that are detrimental. Psychoacoustically most effective are side reflections from around ±60° and elevated (2nd order) side reflections from around ±45°. The relationship between those reflections and the direct sound in terms of level is critical.
If energy radiation into all other angles isn't controlled, clarity lacks considerably. Simply pointing a rather wide dispersion speaker to room boundaries can increase spaciousness but it doesn't sound necessarily good.
Yes, but the effect depends on the recording as do most "extreme" speaker configurations, in my limited experience.
more learned idiocy from "professional reviewers" of Gradient Helsinki speakers:
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I agree. The reflection level should be adjustable by the user. I don't believe there's a one-size-fits-all solution. Reflection patterns need to be adjustable to the room and the recording. These are issues multichannel is trying to solve. We're not there yet.
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You know that the direct sound from a speaker and the ceiling reflection of it arrives in exactly the same angle relative to the median plane. The ITD does not change, nor there is any killing of stereo separation.
- Elias
really? What then the fuss about IACC for hall designs?
How can ITD not change? No difference between a 2.5 high ceiling and a 4m one?
I thought the worst offender was actually the ceiling, conclusion from the Archimedes project in DK, read it somwhere..
Same goes with the front wall, the middle is no good.. loss of clarity and no particular spatial contribution.
How can ITD not change? No difference between a 2.5 high ceiling and a 4m one?
I thought the worst offender was actually the ceiling, conclusion from the Archimedes project in DK, read it somwhere..
Same goes with the front wall, the middle is no good.. loss of clarity and no particular spatial contribution.
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IACC is much more complex entity. The result is depending on temporal, spectral and spatial domains. Not just simple ceiling reflection.
It's simple geometry only. Assume a symmetrical spherical head for yourself, and then draw a cone coincidencing the ears. You'll see the cone surfaces are parallel with the paths from the speaker and from the ceiling reflection.
I thought the worst offender was actually the ceiling, conclusion from the Archimedes project in DK, read it somwhere..
Offender in terms of what exactly ?
- Elias
Not sure what exactly you guys are discussing but the delay of the ceiling and floor reflection varies relative to the direct sound with source/receiver position and ceiling height. Please see
Floor/Ceiling Reflection Calculator
I thought the worst offender was actually the ceiling, conclusion from the Archimedes project in DK, read it somwhere..
floor and ceiling reflections indeed ARE the worst offenders IN CASE of a conventional forward firing loudspeaker
it is VERY true, but NOT in every case
I meant.. Initial Time Delay Gap, not Interaural Level Difference!
Why is IACC not relevant to listening rooms?
Depending on the room, the ceiling is the 2nd offender for the ITD gap.. and not particularly a good contributor to spaciousness. for a direct radiator of course!
more broadly speaking - for a speaker design which doesn't take it into account - or even better - uses it like in a flooder type speaker, the name of which draws an analogy to a "flood lamp" used for: "Indirect lighting, or uplighting, [which] create
exactly what sort of sonic offence do you mean precisely?
I believe that ITD gap is just part of a complex "effect on sound" equation which should be resolved for each and one reflection quite independently ONLY
other important parts of the equation are level, angle and frequency spectrum of the reflected sound
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with conventional loudspeakers that's very probable
but wait a couple of weeks so I treat it properly.. and I can then report back.
perhaps You could try the flooder approach more thoroughly first, with more suitable speakers
but it's up to You of course