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Old 5th August 2019, 10:37 PM   #11
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My transformers arrived today, one gapped pair, and one ungapped pair. The gappped pair is Transcendar's standard TT-106-OT intended for headphone use. The other pair is an ungapped version of the same XFMR. I'll be putting them to work this weekend in the parafeed amp described here, and an alternate board stuffing that configures the amp as a standard (albeit tiny) 2-stage single-ended amp. I'm interested to see the effect a properly made transformer will have on the gain-phase characteristics.
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Old 12th August 2019, 12:14 AM   #12
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OK - here's the closed loop gain-phase using the Transcendar parafeed transformer with no compensation cap. The response is more, shall we say, interesting than the toroidal power transformers used as outputs, and there is reasonable phase margin at crossover. The peaking is a bit troubling, and will probably require a visit from Mr. Zobel - more on that later.

I'm eager to try the standard gapped single ended transformers with the alternate version of this amp. It may be a winner.
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Old 19th August 2019, 09:50 PM   #13
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Several tries with a Zobel network on the primary side did not really damp out the 100 kHz resonance and phase dip. I will try a reasonably heavy network on the secondary side to see if it helps. after all, that's where I'm picking up my feedback. The other thing I want to fix is the amplitude rise near 1MHz, as there is not a whole lot of gain margin, and one could envision a situation where the amplitude would cross back over 0dB again - conditional stability, anyone?

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Old 26th August 2019, 07:40 PM   #14
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This weekend, I tried a secondary Zobel network on the outputs of both my parafeed headphone amp and and its simple single-ended alternate stuffing. I ended up using 100nF + 47 ohms and some mild compensation of 3.3n + 330 ohms across the feedback resistor. Results are shown below. I think this is about as good as I can get using the inexpensive Transcendar output transformers, unless I really want to cut down the amplifier bandwidth. I may talk to Electra-print to see what they can do for me later on. Right now, though I'll declare a conditional victory and move on to other projects.

The first G-P plot shown is for the parafeed design, the second is for its single ended sibling. They look pretty similar, as they both use essentially the same transformer, the parafeed transformer being simply a gapless version of the standard Transcendar single-ended design.
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Old 13th November 2019, 11:29 PM   #15
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The single-ended version of this amplifier (vs. the parafeed) got boxed and took a trip to Burning Amp 2019. Several people auditioned it and a solid state class A headphone amp I also brought (see the thread Simple Single - Ended Headphone amplifier in this section). Listeners were divided ~50-50 in preference between the two amplifiers.
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Old 14th November 2019, 09:56 PM   #16
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Cinemag might be my savior re output transformers. They have some surprising offerings I didn't realize - more later...
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Old 15th November 2019, 06:14 AM   #17
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Here's a schematic for 1/2 of the single ended VT headphone amp that made its way to Burning Amp last Sunday. It's all Rolls-Royce with current source loaded first stage and LED-biased 2nd stage. You could do a knocked-down version of this with resistive and RC biasing, but it probably wouldn't sound the same. I plan to give it some better output iron for more bandwidth and (hopefully) better sound.
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Old 18th November 2019, 05:08 AM   #18
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Here's a schematic for 1/2 of the single ended VT headphone amp that made its way to Burning Amp last Sunday. It's all Rolls-Royce with current source loaded first stage and LED-biased 2nd stage. You could do a knocked-down version of this with resistive and RC biasing, but it probably wouldn't sound the same. I plan to give it some better output iron for more bandwidth and (hopefully) better sound.
WOW! Congratulations on a Rolls-Royce amplifier with current source loaded first stage and a blah...blah 2nd stage.
What exactly is the point you're trying to make for this "VT headphone amp that made its way to Burning Amp last Sunday but needs some better output iron for more bandwidth and sound"??

Why don't you share a design that'll simply "blow peoples socks off" or just post nothing and close these threads?
Nobody cares about mediocre sounding headphone amplifier design since the market is already flooded with them.
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Old 18th November 2019, 05:28 AM   #19
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Mercedes -

The amp auditioned well at BA - not mediocre at all. My point is that it could be even better with better output iron.

As evidenced by the gain-phase plots shown, I was able to damp out most of the warts of the Transcendar output iron with compensation sleight-of-hand and achieve decent gain and phase margin. I did the best I could with what I had at hand, in the time I had available. The gain-phase analyzer I have at my work place is a valuable tool, showing things that wouldn't be necessarily visible from just a square wave response. A good square wave response is a necessary, but not sufficient indicator of decent behavior in the frequency domain.

I'll be talking to Cinemag about output iron possibilities, as they have some capabilities I didn't suspect until recently. I may also be talking to Electra-Print. The object will be extended bandwidth, but still with adequate gain and phase margin.

Obviously you don't care about what happens in this thread, so feel free to ignore it while I press on and develop this design.
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Mercedes -

Obviously you don't care about what happens in this thread, so feel free to ignore it while I press on and develop this design.
Yes, you're exactly right. I do not care about what happens in your ongoing headphone amplifier design thread that when finalized will probably still NOT compare with many commercial designs such as the great sounding and inexpensive Magni 3.

And yes I'll feel free to ignore it as many others should here should do as well.

Perhaps someone here will gain some knowledge and decide to build this so-called "Rolls-Royce" amplifier.
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