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Old 2nd June 2019, 09:27 PM   #1
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To anyone who's done a group buy from the usa, how do I send PCB's internationally? Ideally w/out going to the post office? Is that even an option?

For domestic, I can use flat rate boxes and print the labels online and leave the packages on my porch.
But, international flat rate priority mail small box is almost $40, so that's not going to work.
USPS won't let me print first class mail labels online.
I live far away from civilization, so going to the post office is a long drive and a hassle..
Do I have any options? I might just back out of this group buy I thought I was going to do........
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Old 2nd June 2019, 11:53 PM   #2
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IF the original PCB supplier/maker is in China as I suspect, you might profit from their heavily State subsidized mail system to cover at least the first leg of delivery, having them split it: send "American" ones to you who then redistribute as you mention using flat rate boxes, and the "European" ones to somebody living there, who might presumably use some equivalent "inside EU" discounted mail system.
You avoid very expensive USA>EU and viceversa rates.

Alternatively *maybe* Chinese accept a relatively large order and then deliver to different customers using *their* subsidied system, end to end.

Not really necessary, just curious, what kind of bulk purchase are we talking about?
Any project in particular?
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Use first class parcel. Between $13 and $25 international depending on weight up to about 2lbs. Pack in flat bubble padded envelope.
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To anyone who's done a group buy from the usa, how do I send PCB's internationally? Ideally w/out going to the post office? Is that even an option?

For domestic, I can use flat rate boxes and print the labels online and leave the packages on my porch.
But, international flat rate priority mail small box is almost $40, so that's not going to work.
USPS won't let me print first class mail labels online.
I live far away from civilization, so going to the post office is a long drive and a hassle..
Do I have any options? I might just back out of this group buy I thought I was going to do........
Ask the customer to pay via a PayPal invoice -- this allows you to fill out the customs form and mailing label via International First Class Large Envelope, or First Class Package.

Or you can get a chum in Holland to send a bunch from their postal system.

For the record, US small shippers are subsidizing Amazon. Priority Mail shipping has more than doubled in price in the last ten years.
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Old 3rd June 2019, 12:47 AM   #5
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Ask the customer to pay via a PayPal invoice -- this allows you to fill out the customs form and mailing label via International First Class Large Envelope, or First Class Package.
All the replies have been helpful, but too late for most of them.

I think the above is what I need.. If PayPal lets me print first class mail labels, that will be perfect. Then I'll just need to acquire some padded envelopes, which I can order online.


Thank you. I was getting frustrated w/ the USPS website.. They even let you select "first class mail" in their online label system, but then it pops up an error that this shipping method is no longer available online.
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Packages going out of the US require you present them in person to the guy or gal behind the counter. If you are routinely nice to them they will just scan them in. If you are frowning or have been rude, they are going to weigh the parcel and check all the details on the customs docket!
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You don’t need to present them in person. You just need to fill out the declaration online via the PayPal portal for shipping.

Google “how to ship anything anywhere with PayPal”.

I send hundreds of packages overseas for GBs without visiting the post office.
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You donít need to present them in person. You just need to fill out the declaration online via the PayPal portal for shipping.
Not in NJ -- Postmaster requires the sender to state that the contents contain "Nothing fragile, hazardous or perishable" for every parcel over 13 ounces -- could be different in DC.
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Postal Service is Fedral - policies are not going to be different in different states. I might be wrong but what you state is same as what is stated in on the declaration page. The sender must sign and date it. That’s same as declaring in front of a postal clerk. Imagine a business in NJ that sends thousands of packages internationally. The burden of declaring in the flesh for each package would just be too unreasonable.

Try it sometime. Tape the signed and declared international prepaid label on your package and leave for the postal carrier to pick it up. I bet they pick it up in NJ the same as any state.

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Ask the customer to pay via a PayPal invoice -- this allows you to fill out the customs form and mailing label via International First Class Large Envelope, or First Class Package.

Or you can get a chum in Holland to send a bunch from their postal system.

For the record, US small shippers are subsidizing Amazon. Priority Mail shipping has more than doubled in price in the last ten years.
There is no real evidence that US shippers or taxpayers are subsidizing Amazon. You should fact check this, granted it is not simple.

The most likely reason the USPS has increased pricing is due to declining revenue from first-class and marketing mail of all kinds combined with increasing labor costs. As you might be aware, politicians schemed to saddle the USPS with the requirement of pre-funding future retiree health benefits, which took effect in 2006. Parcels have been the segment seeing growth in revenue.

USPS is charging Amazon the rate the market will bear. They quite obviously get a better rate than anyone else given their volume. FedEx and UPS charge me a lot more than they charge Amazon too.
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