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Old 4th May 2010, 06:27 PM   #1831
_Wim_ is offline _Wim_  Belgium
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@ earflappin, what brand of converter do you use specificly?
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Old 4th May 2010, 08:08 PM   #1832
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I use a Metric Halo LIO-8 converter Wim. It is basically the ULN-8 without the mic pre's and +DSP license.
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Old 7th May 2010, 03:58 PM   #1833
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OK a question for Doug and any other Abbey owners out there. What speakers have you had before the Abbeys and how do the Abbeys sound compared to those speakers?
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Old 7th May 2010, 05:09 PM   #1834
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OK a question for Doug and any other Abbey owners out there. What speakers have you had before the Abbeys and how do the Abbeys sound compared to those speakers?
You will probably get a more satisfying answer from others. I had an pair of old Advent 3-ways before. The difference is huge.
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Old 7th May 2010, 06:05 PM   #1835
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Before the Abbey's I owned Wilson Watt/Puppy and Dynaudio Evidence speakers. In addition, before moving to Richmond two years ago I lived 10 miles from Goodwins High End in Boston and had a chance to listen to an array of high end speakers there including Rockport, Magico, Verity and Avalaon.

In terms of comparison, the Abbey's are the first speaker I've heard that sound like live music. They make my previous speakers (and others I've listened to) sound compressed, closed-in and colored, especially in the critical mid-range. Live music has rich tonality, texture, large dynamic swells, speed, three dimensionality and subtleties. The Abbey's get it all right. If the recording has a large soundstage that's what you hear. If the recording was close-miked in a small studio, that's what comes through. Individual instruments and vocalists are all presented in a life-like 3D soundstage. The dynamic capability, high frequency and midrange of the Abbey's are amazing and while they roll off quickly below 50hz the bass they do produce is among the very, very best I've heard. Tonally rich, properly delineated, without bloat or overhang and properly positioned in the soundstage.

And the Abbey's will play at insane levels with no noticeable compression and without "head in vise" imaging - you can stand up and move around in the room and still have excellent imaging - the perspective just changes as you would expect. Lastly, the fact that I am getting this type of performance in a less than optimal room reinforces the advantages of the controlled directivity design.

I rate the Abbey's as the best speaker I've owned and heard. When one takes into account price/performance I don't think they can be touched.

Other than the above, I really don't like them at all.... :-)
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Old 7th May 2010, 06:12 PM   #1836
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OK a question for Doug and any other Abbey owners out there. What speakers have you had before the Abbeys and how do the Abbeys sound compared to those speakers?
Great question dwr and something I am interested in as well.

From 1992-1993 I owned the Bose Acoustimass, Bose 201 and JBL satellite system (competed with the Bose Acoustimass).

From 1993-1994 I owned the B&W DM640i - a tall 3 way ported loudspeaker using a metal dome tweeter, 6 inch Kevlar midrange and dual 6 inch polypropylene woofers.

From 1994-1996 I owned Legacy Audio Studios - a 2 way stand mount using a Focal dual voice coil midwoofer and cheap Taiwanese metal dome tweeter.

I took a break from loudspeakers from 1996 onwards because I went to medical school and it was not until residency which started in 2002 that I returned. In the interim I used a nice headphone system with a pair of Sennheiser HD580's.

From 2002 until 2010 I owned a pair of North Creek Music Okara II's. This was a 2 way floor standing loudspeaker that used the Scan Speak 9500 tweeter and Vifa P13 (5.25 inch) midwoofer made popular by Lynn Olson in his Ariel and ME2 loudspeakers designs. It was known at the time to have one of the smoothest midrange transfer curves ever. I would have to agree. The Okara's was recently sold four weeks ago after I purchased a pair of Abbeys.

There is a HUGE difference between the two loudspeakers in terms of dynamics, image size, image specificity, and soundstaging. No doubt there is also a large difference in their piston areas. They are very similar in tonality. The Okara's really started to shine after I treated my room.

The Abbeys are a no brainer in a nutshell. They shine even more in bigger rooms, but they actually do quite well in the small room. They set the standard for how loudspeakers should be designed and measured. There are only a handful of loudspeakers that are designed with this degree of precision.

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Old 7th May 2010, 07:52 PM   #1837
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As someone who has a pair of the new, woofer rear mounting, 12a baffles on order from Earl (only those because I'm in the UK; high shipping costs) these recent posts are doing nothing for my patience! Any update for me Earl?
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Old 7th May 2010, 08:08 PM   #1838
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Studley....very funny....but alas....true....you will have to suffer until they arrive knowing how fantastic they are going to sound...:-). BTW, if you want to hear the Abbey's at their very best, IMHO, use OTL amps. I use Atma-Sphere M60 Mk3.1's and they are devine. Over the years I've owned an array of SS, tube and hybrid amps. The OTL's are in a league of their own IMO. The Abbey's are an 8 ohm nominal load with a reasonably flat impedance curve which makes them well suited for OTL's. Two other Abbey owners have also gotten Atma-Sphere M60's for their systems. Like me they had a lot of experience with various amps and they also greatly prefer their OTL's.
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Old 7th May 2010, 08:16 PM   #1839
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Thanks for the replies folks, and Studley I understand the patience thing I have 12a speakers on order too, we will just have to be patient. I will be very interested when I get the Abbeys to hear the difference in my room to my previous speakers, Martin Logan Ascent i electrostatics, and then Linkwitz Orions. Sounds like I am in for a real treat, if they are anything like the Summas I listened to at Earls they should be great.
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Old 7th May 2010, 08:18 PM   #1840
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OK a question for Doug and any other Abbey owners out there. What speakers have you had before the Abbeys and how do the Abbeys sound compared to those speakers?
Mine is a long list but something like this:

- Martin Logan CLS, Cogan Hall subs
- Thiel CS3.5, CS3.6
- Vandersteen 2c, 3a sig
- Aerial 10t
- Maggie 3.6
- Paradigm Reference 100's
- Reimer Teton GS (big)
- Merlin TSM-MX w/Titan subs
- Merlin VSM-MX
- Merlin VSM-MXe
- Emerald Physics CS2's w/very highly modified Behringer DCX

I've had the Abbeys since last fall with 1 Rythmik sub, 2 dual GR-Research OB subs and could not be happier. While that list above includes some great speakers I could and did live with for a long time, the Abbeys are the ones I WANT to live with. Their ability to get the range and dynamic ebb/flow of music just right and keep me involved in it are amazing. At the same time I feel like I'm hearing all the details I should, but not being overwhelmed by them. Wood instruments sound woody, brass is brassy, plucked strings like string, all as they should be. Most of that is also true with the Merlins, which are terrific speakers in all respects, but the dynamic capabilities of the Abbeys are what set them apart for me.

I'm spending most of my time just listening to music for a change, not twiddling too much with the hardware. Life with the Abbeys is very good and I don't feel at all inclined to break the bank with my associated gear.

Tom
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