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Old 29th October 2019, 06:52 PM   #11
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I have some stock of each, but they will only be available EnABLed.

Currently i have A6.2MeN in my 2.5 litre dual-purpose (fits both metal & paper drivers w no changes) in my portale briefcase system. Better bass than the much larger Fostex “horns”.

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Old 29th October 2019, 07:54 PM   #12
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I have some stock of each, but they will only be available EnABLed.
What does "available EnABLed" mean?

Guys you are awesome,

What does one get from sound when dealing with either a paper or metal. For someone reason, I feel I would get a smoother less harsh sound from paper.
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Old 29th October 2019, 08:33 PM   #13
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What does "available EnABLed" mean?
A (controversial) modification to a driver, amounst other things, improves the DDR (Downward Dynamic Range/ability to reproduce very smal details)

EnABL - Listening impressions & techniques (lots more threads to)

A6.2MeN:

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Stock A6.2PeN:

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Here A6.2PeN in mMar-Ken6p in red (box a little smaller than the babyLab — somewhere i do have pictures of the Stinger we built):

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I feel I would get a smoother less harsh sound from paper.
In the case of the A6.2m/p the metal is smooth enuff, but the paper has a very smooth very nice, what i call vintage top-end.

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Old 29th October 2019, 08:56 PM   #14
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Historically, all drivers are doped to a greater or lesser extent, either as part of the molding process and/or afterwards, so depends on how it's doped, i.e. the manufacturer decides, though some DIYers want something different, but be forewarned, tweaking a really wide BW metal cone is a good way to turn it into a mid-bass or even just a bass driver if no experience.

Subtle response changes like EnABLed gives anyone with a steady hand considerable leeway compared to using Dammar, shellac, latex paints like me and others have done to dope whole areas like a manufacturer does is a different story.

Anyway, can't comment on current 'FR' drivers, just in general that metal tends to be intentionally 'brighter', so for some is too 'bright', needing some form of 'toning down' [must have flat - recessed in the ~ 4 - 9 kHz sibilance BW depending on 'brightness' due to strong tinnitus in my case regardless of diaphragm material].

In short, if the published responses aren't too smoothed, compare from 1 Khz - up [tinny] and especially from 4 kHz - up to see where a driver 'shines' and for a variety of reasons don't be surprised if some paper drivers 'outshines' metal [Lowther being a 'ringing' example].

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Well, I guess I can choose said driver in paper, build a cab that handles both paper and metal and try them both. But for now, i am thinking paper.
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I have the fostex ff85 in the lances (baby lab line). They are awesome. Feels like you can reach out and touch the music right in front of your face.
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Good point Chris on the BLH and DT.

There are also good options in the P10 Mar-Ken catalog.
My first thought was the Mar-Ken 10.3 with the metal 10M's from Madisound. At $85 per driver they would be slightly over budget, but seem to offer more potential for bass than the smaller Baby Lab's. Dave or Scottmoose, how does the sound of the Mar-Ken and Baby Lab's designs compare?
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Drivers are not really directly comparable, althou A6.2m sounds an aweful lot like an A10.3 with no bass.

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Is the Pluvia Seven HD the same as the non HD? They offer a paper cone version. Its either that one, Aplair 6m, or Fostex FF105WK in paper.
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No. P7HD is supposed to be an evolution of the Alpair 7.3. The P7 is more like a next gen CHR (but way better). Voicing very much like the A7 but without the level of DDR.

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