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Old 29th September 2018, 11:46 AM   #11
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I think that you should ask yourself why he has already, if that matches the kind of music he hears and if he is an adventurous kind of guy.

This is the full range sub forum, so here you’d find good ideas for an open baffle or fast if you want bigish drivers.

I think I will try a LX-mini next, though not full range. I’m just finishing a frugelhorn XL now, it is a well liked speaker but with smaller drives. It goes pretty low regardless. The LX-mini has a complicated crossover that is available on the diystore, or you can use a MiniDSP for an easier and less expensive solution. That would require two amplifiers though.
Thanks a lot, yes I'm pretty sure what I want is a full-range and am going to make an open baffle.

As for the driver, really not very sure which one to pick and a friend suggested that I buy from Amazon premium so I can test and return without losing anything more than delivery fee if that doesn't match.

I searched 10" driver and only found several cheap ones and the only one which seemed to be high-end enough has a brand name "Xizi Audio" and worths around $600, I don't know what I should expect at this price, the seller annonces a sensitivity of 99dB and I've heard that above 85dB it's somewhat of high quality.

Also I've considered taking some famous brands like Lowther but question is either price too high or too low or size not match...

To be honest it starts getting me a headache and it's for the first time in my life I hesitate so much for choosing something to buy...
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Old 29th September 2018, 11:53 AM   #12
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What is it about a 10" driver that makes you want to go with one?
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To be honest personnally I have a feeling that bigger one can bring better experience and another reason for that is: 10 is the lucky number for my grandfather or even for my family. He cheated death 3 times and all of them happened on the 10th of a month.
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Old 29th September 2018, 12:38 PM   #13
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Thanks a lot, yes I'm pretty sure what I want is a full-range and am going to make an open baffle.
Are you certain about OB? I have them and love them but they have very specific requirements and limitations. Have you looked into the concept? Best place to research would be Linkwitz Lab site.
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Old 1st October 2018, 01:07 AM   #14
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nrstly; take scottjoplin’s query seriously - OBs are not a universal magic bullet solution. They can be - to say the least, very room dependant - and take a lot more work to get right than just “cut a hole in a board, and yer dun” .
Neither higher sensitivity nor larger driver size by themselves guarantee nothing . 10” is a great size for woofers, but there’s a lot of good reasons for the dearth of modern full-range drivers of that nominal dimension.
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Old 1st October 2018, 04:16 AM   #15
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nrstly, indeed follow the advices given here.

You mentioned early on that the most important is to find a good driver.
It is not.

The most important is to find the best combination of driver and enclosure that will work well in your case, being the room and the music it is intended for.

OBs need space to breathe, so they need to be away from walls. Also, using a single 10" full range driver per side will surely result in a poor performance that will have you cringing and crying when you bring it to your grandpa. There will be no bass, and the highs will fall off so hard, you will think that OB people most be nuts to think it is the best sound they heard. Even if you pay $600 per driver.

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headache and it's for the first time in my life I hesitate so much for choosing something to buy...
One more reason to not just buy an expensive driver, slap it on a baffle and call it a flop.

There's a lot of info to digest before even attempting to build your first successful pair of speakers. Looks like you will go crazy before that.

So, follow the recommendations here, find a proven design, buy the parts for that design, assemble and bring smiles to both you and your grandpa.

Lots to choose from. A short list, there would be more... Frugel horn, TABAQ, Nola Brio clones, and if the room is suitable, the Manzanita OB.

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Old 1st October 2018, 07:49 AM   #16
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nrstly - note that the Manzanita's cited by Perceval are at the minimum, two ways - with 15" woofer and 4.5" wideband driver as mid-tweet. FWIW, I've been "mucking about with boats" since the late '60s, and have yet to hear an OB that sufficiently floated mine to make the extra effort and sometimes considerable expense - once you consider the ancillary expenses of room design / treatment - to getting them to shine, worthwhile. That doesn't mean they aren't just what the doctor ordered for some folks, just not this sailor.

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the extra effort and sometimes considerable expense - once you consider the ancillary expenses of room design / treatment - to getting them to shine, worthwhile.
What room design and treatment?
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room design / treatment benefits all kinds of speakers... not just OBs.

Often not even thought of... most people just throw money at more expensive speakers, hoping it will solve room problems.
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Very true. OB's require less than most in the average living room if Linkwitz is to be believed
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Old 1st October 2018, 11:04 AM   #20
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Hi Nrstly,
Here is my suggestion, if you want to have a single 10" driver with higher than average efficiency there is one other possibility than a fullrange: coaxial driver.
A design based upon a Beta 10cx ported (and a matched compression driver) could make something around 93db spl efficient speaker in a relatively small box.

Here is an example of what it could be:
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Not a fullrange ( this is a two way) but you stick to your prefered 10" size and you have a medium efficiency that could match well with low to medium power amplifier with around 50liter box volume ( and the low end response should be adapted as i suppose your grandpa don't listen to dub, hip hop or dubstep...). It should not break the bank too as drivers are not this pricey : you'll need the beta10" and a apt 50 in the example so approximately 120euros per speaker, with the filter expect maybe 270/300euros total per speaker if you don't go with 'audiophile' overpriced components ( the self and capacitors are the pricey items in the filter).
This should let you have some budget for box and a nice finishing.

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