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Old 28th April 2018, 03:32 AM   #1
luigi is offline luigi  New Zealand
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Default Visaton B80/100 experience So?

Anyone used either of these drivers in a full range speaker? Doesn't seem to be much on the net regarding these.
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Old 28th April 2018, 05:57 AM   #2
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A Subjective Blind Comparison of 2in to 4in drivers - Round 4
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Old 28th April 2018, 05:01 PM   #3
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Hey
there is a pretty neat design (imho) for the B100 in BR (two notch filters + high shelf)
Strassacker, Komponenten: Lautsprecher, Frequenzweichen, Bauelemente

Here you can order the magazin with the complete design specs
Inhalt HOBBY HiFi 02/18
If you need help with the order let me know
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Old 28th April 2018, 10:45 PM   #4
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That’s a pretty complex filter for a full range!

Parts:
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Audaphon MKP CAP Superior 0,33 uF / 400 Vdc
Audaphon MKP CAP Superior 0,68 uF / 400 Vdc
Mundorf Backlack-Luftspule BL71, 0,47 mH/0,57 Ohm
Mundorf Backlack-Luftspule BL71, 0,82 mH/0,89 Ohm
Mundorf Backlack-Luftspule BL100, 1,5 mH/0,62 Ohm
Metalloxidwiderstand MOX10 8,2 Ohm (grau-rot-gold)
2x Metalloxidwiderstand MOX3 3,3 Ohm (orange-orange-gold)
Bausatz mit High-End-Weiche ohne Gehäuse, Preis pro Lautsprecher EUR 142,00 ohne MwSt: € 119.33 / $ 146.77

Impedanzkorrektur

Falls der Lautsprecher an einem Röhrenverstärker betrieben werden soll, dann sollte eine Impedanzkorrektur zum Einsatz kommen. Hier spielt die Bauteilqualität nur eine geringe Rolle, weswegen wir nur einen Bausatz anbieten (auf Wunsch erhalten Sie selbstverständlich auch höherwertige Bauteile).


Zur Impedanzkorrektur liefern wir folgende Bauteile:

Mundorf Elko glatt, 10 uF / 70 Vdc
Metalloxidwiderstand MOX10 15 Ohm (braun-grün-schwarz)
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Old 29th April 2018, 12:07 AM   #5
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I have the B80, and it has worked very well in the two designs I tried it.

I placed two in a Nola Brio clone and they performed very well.

I also tried them with a helper 8" woofer under, like X's 10F thread, with a simple 1st order XO and again, very nice.
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Old 29th April 2018, 09:19 AM   #6
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@Xrk Mr Timmermanns of HobbyHifi creates strange enclosures and needs complex XOs to compensate the design faults. His maingoal is to make it different than anyone else but his designs are working... I don't like his stuff but its one of the last speaker diy papers out there and the measurements of new speakers are always intereting

The Visaton 80 and 100 are both not bad but i think for the price you can go with better fullrange drivers.
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Old 29th April 2018, 10:07 AM   #7
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The two german hifi diy magazines like to use helmholtz resonator cavities and correction filters to flatten the response.
I don’t have this magazine issue but as mentioned above it is likely an interesting design.
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Old 29th April 2018, 02:11 PM   #8
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@Xrk Mr Timmermanns of HobbyHifi creates strange enclosures and needs complex XOs to compensate the design faults.
Hi,
I have the HH 2018-02 magazine. I fail to see where there are any strange design issues? Care to point it out? Timmermann aims for flat response, it obviously rub the wrong way with a lot of people...

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Old 29th April 2018, 07:16 PM   #9
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Default horns for both

Hello,
the Mini Posaune front B80 back B100,
Mini Posaune
hm double bass horn - mini trombone

or single SAT for both the Flute
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Old 30th April 2018, 11:11 AM   #10
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Hi Peter, no I don't have any direct example at the moment and I was general speaking about his "philosophy". I also stated that the designs are working Probably you would agree if you try to read his texts or explanations to his designs. I know alot of people who are very pleased with his kits and I also own two. It's true that Timmermann is aiming for the flatest possible response but he also likes to build very small/exotic cabinets and compensate the response to an acceptable value. I'm really no expert but I found for myself that usually simpler designs with lesser XOs are possible.
But please let's get back to the Visaton question...
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