Hi Enzo,
We are also living longer these days, and we are eating more chemicals in our food, although that has lately been cut way back. Cancer takes many years to develop too. I don't know if these things affected your numbers, but it is something to consider as outside variables that were not controlled.
-Chris
We are also living longer these days, and we are eating more chemicals in our food, although that has lately been cut way back. Cancer takes many years to develop too. I don't know if these things affected your numbers, but it is something to consider as outside variables that were not controlled.
-Chris
The cell phones of 20 to 25 years ago put out a lot more RF power (up to 1.2 watts) for longer periods of time (the old analog phones transmitted continuously when in a call), than more modern phones. The total RF exposure dose had dropped continuously with each "G" primarily because of the increased user base. This forces more towers at lower power levels to avoid interference.
The frequency band used for all early cellular phones was below 1 GHz. Modern phones tend toward keeping the phone calls on the frequencies near or above 2 GHz. The skin penetration depth of RF energy drops off as the RF frequency is increased. Very little energy from a 1700-2400 MHz phone penetrates the skull. Some of this research was done in one of our labs.
The same penetration depth issue will force a phone call to a lower frequency bald if the phone is inside a concrete building since the higher frequencies don't penetrate concrete as well either.
This guy worked in the same plant where I worked. There was an "incident" one night where a preserved head from a human cadaver was delivered to the plant, which set off some serious rumors. I talked to one of his technicians, and found that it was used to measure the RF penetration of the human skull, such that an "artificial head" could be designed for research.
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/author/37284151200
After he left another PHD guy took his place. His field was microbiology. I got to teach him how to operate, set up and measure our two way radio equipment.
The frequency band used for all early cellular phones was below 1 GHz. Modern phones tend toward keeping the phone calls on the frequencies near or above 2 GHz. The skin penetration depth of RF energy drops off as the RF frequency is increased. Very little energy from a 1700-2400 MHz phone penetrates the skull. Some of this research was done in one of our labs.
The same penetration depth issue will force a phone call to a lower frequency bald if the phone is inside a concrete building since the higher frequencies don't penetrate concrete as well either.
This guy worked in the same plant where I worked. There was an "incident" one night where a preserved head from a human cadaver was delivered to the plant, which set off some serious rumors. I talked to one of his technicians, and found that it was used to measure the RF penetration of the human skull, such that an "artificial head" could be designed for research.
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/author/37284151200
After he left another PHD guy took his place. His field was microbiology. I got to teach him how to operate, set up and measure our two way radio equipment.
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we’re going to see 5G added to laptops. This means even more traffic for the cell phone towers. we’ll need more towers and that’s going to be expensive. maybe there will be more network consolidation. the industry will split into backbone networks and cell phone companies who do not own them. this will change how frequency allocations are auctioned. when does 5G (6G......) merge with wifi in public spaces ? aren’t there just as many concerns about exposure to wifi?
And if the IoT revolution goes where the industry claims, cars, tablets, machines, medical devices, cameras, toys .......will all have 5G connectivity.
The phone carriers (networks) make their money moving data, phone calls and texts are barely break even features today.
The USA is quietly losing TV channel space to the phone companies. TV channels 52 through 83 disappeared a while back, and stations on RF channels 37 though 51 are now being relocated to a new frequency or shut down to accommodate T-Mobile's network expansion.
5G spectrum is available, but huge challenges exist in many markets since the higher frequencies do not penetrate concrete or dense foliage. The desirable tower to user frequencies are currently occupied by TV channels.....Expect to see terrestrial TV vanish, or morph into a cellular like short range system.....There are proposals for exactly that on the horizon. As with DTV where channels 52 through 69 were reallocated, this will coincide with a shift to 4K or higher DTV resolution.
WiFi on 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz currently operate in unlicensed spectrum allocated for ISM (industrial, scientific, military) use. There are already proposals and test systems operating whereby phone companies can occupy some of this spectrum for excess data traffic on their 4G networks.
You know - a ton of people have been working on 5G ion labs for many years. And so far as we know they have not dropped dead.
And 3G and 4G systems in use by Billions of humans has not killed them, not animals nearby. So until then, I remain relaxed.
That's what keeps trickling into my brain -- when I think of all the RF, of all manner of wavelengths, that I must have absorbed -- all those projects over all those years .. Granted, they were all low power, but those hours and hours spent hunched over something misbehaving and spilling RF every which way .. It simply isn't possible to develop anything electronic without considerable exposure. And I have yet to see anyone wearing a 'shield suit' while they poke around with their 'scope probe. Guess I'll remain relaxed, too.
-RS
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Long term effects is not something that can be easily assessed.
How come are you so sure that if not for that long term exposure, you would have say extra 15 years of additional life, as a bonus, before the clock stops ticking?
What I intended to hint upon is the fact that once the pan-global 5G will be implemented, even with satellites beaming down on remote areas, there will basically be no sanctuary left, no place to hide, for those who wish to do so.
OK, maybe there are no long term ill effects.
But what if there are?
What if it is just big time money trying to push its agenda through, with no respect to the true consequences?
Being a 'Guinea Pig' in a technological-biological experiment would normally require for the 'Guinea Pig' to grant it's concern for such experimenting upon itself.
Not the case with 5G.
How come various communities from California are already blocking 5G in their vicinity and suing telecommunication companies that are trying to push it through?
Lead time bias has some effect. Cancer is a disease of age so we expect that to raise as a cause of death over time. The juicy places to look are I'm child diseases/development for emergent ostensibly low level toxicities.
jneutron, I admire your endless work of promoting and spreading fact and knowledge. Keep it up buddy!
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Of course cherry picking evidence to support a belief is a big weakness of the human ego. I don't think this is what is happening overall with those high lighting the 5G health and civil liberty issues. After all, apart from a minority of anti technology zealots and a few ambulance followers selling widgets to make people feel safe, there is no benefit to expending energy on this other than trying to ensure due diligence and honesty on the part of industry and state. There is clearly enough evidence of dangers to both human freedom and human health to warrant a very precautionary approach. The sad thing is, is that we could increase our understanding of field science and biology, and develop benign communication, control and power technologies, if we chose to, rather than being continually bounced into new technologies by corporate state interests before the consequences are understood.
Here is a video by Dr. Pall who is a serious scientist in on this subject. He explains some of the mechanisms that have been discovered that are responsible for the effects of alternating fields on biology and health.
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Here is UK Prime Minister telling us about some of the dangers of the brave new smart grid world, has in store for civil liberties:
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Here is a video by Dr. Pall who is a serious scientist in on this subject. He explains some of the mechanisms that have been discovered that are responsible for the effects of alternating fields on biology and health.
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Here is UK Prime Minister telling us about some of the dangers of the brave new smart grid world, has in store for civil liberties:
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Instead of just trying to win a debate on technical nit picking, step back and consider that there are hundreds, maybe thousands of scientists of various specialisations, who have flagged up serious issues. Those issues have not been investigated or addressed by state or industry (at least not in the public domain). They have deep vested interests, most employed scientists risk their jobs when they stray into these controversial areas. So when you dismiss all the evidence put before you because you can spot some perceived error, you are doing the work of the corporations for free. Remember how long it was before smoking became officially a health risk. Also remember, more broadly, that the so called material world is a constellation of interrelated energy vortices and other wave perturbations of the field, so why would technological disturbances of the field not have resonant effects on living systems that are constituted similarly?
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An ailment known as multiple sclerosis is an interesting read, which basically reminds us about the electrical nature of the human body.
The human body is an electrical circuit.
Just a reminder.
Erm. You quoted Dr Pall. I looked up some of his writings. How is that nit picking, It's simply responding to your point, which is I believe how a discussion is supposed to work?
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I still don't understand why, other than a few teachers who got headaches from wifi even when it was turned off 2.5GHz and 5GHz is already full of signals. Why the panic over 5G and not retrospective action to shutdown wifi everywhere?
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is a fine set of words that appears to be impossible to parse unless you start by believing in Jedi.
I still don't understand why, other than a few teachers who got headaches from wifi even when it was turned off 2.5GHz and 5GHz is already full of signals. Why the panic over 5G and not retrospective action to shutdown wifi everywhere?
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you mean you don’t?
there’s a difference between Something having an effect on living tissue and something being harmful, the case for Hom hasn’t been well-made
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I have NOT engaged in technical nit picking. As I initially stated, your linking to many studies with horrible sounding consequences was entirely misguided by the website you perused, you present yourself as an individual who cannot think for yourself, one who took the bait hook line, and sinker...
The authors of those studies YOU LINKED TO concluded that their speculative titles could not be supported by their own actual research.
Now you quote a biochemist on electromagnetic field theory? While you may not have the education to understand how stupidly he rambles on about E and M, I do indeed have that education. If I want to subject myself to E/M verbal diarrhea, I'll request more of those ridiculous links from you.
It is important that you think for yourself, stop letting others do it for you.
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I just read it and was reminded of Obi-wan feeling a disturbance in the force.
@JN: can you confirm, when a fully fledged piled high and deep says 'what I think is happening' what percentage of the time does that mean he is well out his comfort zone and is in fact as clueless as the rest of us are all the time?
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