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Old 22nd October 2019, 12:56 PM   #111
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jneutron, I admire your endless work of promoting and spreading fact and knowledge. Keep it up buddy!

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Thank you for the kind words.

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Old 22nd October 2019, 04:46 PM   #112
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Of course cherry picking evidence to support a belief is a big weakness of the human ego. I don't think this is what is happening overall with those high lighting the 5G health and civil liberty issues. After all, apart from a minority of anti technology zealots and a few ambulance followers selling widgets to make people feel safe, there is no benefit to expending energy on this other than trying to ensure due diligence and honesty on the part of industry and state. There is clearly enough evidence of dangers to both human freedom and human health to warrant a very precautionary approach. The sad thing is, is that we could increase our understanding of field science and biology, and develop benign communication, control and power technologies, if we chose to, rather than being continually bounced into new technologies by corporate state interests before the consequences are understood.
Here is a video by Dr. Pall who is a serious scientist in on this subject. He explains some of the mechanisms that have been discovered that are responsible for the effects of alternating fields on biology and health.

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Here is UK Prime Minister telling us about some of the dangers of the brave new smart grid world, has in store for civil liberties:

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Old 22nd October 2019, 04:57 PM   #113
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I'm sorry, when you quote Boris that is ALL credibility gone.



As for Dr Pall I am sure he was a great Biochemist before he retired. However when I read
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So how can we get deep effects? I think the answer is that the magnetic parts of the EMFs have been known for decades to penetrate much more deeply than do the electrical parts. The magnetic fields put forces on mobile electrically charged groups dissolved in the aqueous phases of the body and small individual movements of the charged groups can regenerate electric fields that are essentially identical to the electric fields of the original EMFs, carrying the same frequency and same pulsation pattern, although with lower intensity. An example of this is given in the Lu and Ueno [139] study. Because the voltage sensor is so stunningly sensitive to electrical forces and part of the reason for that is the very high level of amplification of the electrical field across the plasma membrane, we have an almost perfect way in which to produce EMF effects deeply within our bodies.
I worry that he he strayed beyond his speciality. Certainly his grasp of radiated power doesn't seem to focus on a reasoned debate.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 05:16 PM   #114
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Instead of just trying to win a debate on technical nit picking, step back and consider that there are hundreds, maybe thousands of scientists of various specialisations, who have flagged up serious issues. Those issues have not been investigated or addressed by state or industry (at least not in the public domain). They have deep vested interests, most employed scientists risk their jobs when they stray into these controversial areas. So when you dismiss all the evidence put before you because you can spot some perceived error, you are doing the work of the corporations for free. Remember how long it was before smoking became officially a health risk. Also remember, more broadly, that the so called material world is a constellation of interrelated energy vortices and other wave perturbations of the field, so why would technological disturbances of the field not have resonant effects on living systems that are constituted similarly?
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this post above started off pretty good but I lost it when you got into constellations ?
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Old 22nd October 2019, 05:31 PM   #116
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this post above started off pretty good but I lost it when you got into constellations ?
An ailment known as multiple sclerosis is an interesting read, which basically reminds us about the electrical nature of the human body.
The human body is an electrical circuit.
Just a reminder.
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Erm. You quoted Dr Pall. I looked up some of his writings. How is that nit picking, It's simply responding to your point, which is I believe how a discussion is supposed to work?


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constellation of interrelated energy vortices and other wave perturbations of the field, so why would technological disturbances of the field not have resonant effects on living systems that are constituted similarly
is a fine set of words that appears to be impossible to parse unless you start by believing in Jedi.



I still don't understand why, other than a few teachers who got headaches from wifi even when it was turned off 2.5GHz and 5GHz is already full of signals. Why the panic over 5G and not retrospective action to shutdown wifi everywhere?
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... start by believing in Jedi.
you mean you don’t?


there’s a difference between Something having an effect on living tissue and something being harmful, the case for Hom hasn’t been well-made
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Instead of just trying to win a debate on technical nit picking...
I have NOT engaged in technical nit picking. As I initially stated, your linking to many studies with horrible sounding consequences was entirely misguided by the website you perused, you present yourself as an individual who cannot think for yourself, one who took the bait hook line, and sinker...

The authors of those studies YOU LINKED TO concluded that their speculative titles could not be supported by their own actual research.

Now you quote a biochemist on electromagnetic field theory? While you may not have the education to understand how stupidly he rambles on about E and M, I do indeed have that education. If I want to subject myself to E/M verbal diarrhea, I'll request more of those ridiculous links from you.

It is important that you think for yourself, stop letting others do it for you.

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you mean you donít?

I just read it and was reminded of Obi-wan feeling a disturbance in the force.



@JN: can you confirm, when a fully fledged piled high and deep says 'what I think is happening' what percentage of the time does that mean he is well out his comfort zone and is in fact as clueless as the rest of us are all the time?
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