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Old 20th October 2019, 04:00 AM   #101
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Hi Enzo,
We are also living longer these days, and we are eating more chemicals in our food, although that has lately been cut way back. Cancer takes many years to develop too. I don't know if these things affected your numbers, but it is something to consider as outside variables that were not controlled.

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Old 20th October 2019, 06:05 AM   #102
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Got interested, looked up brain cancer stats. Noting that there has been a very small - 1 per 100,000 - uptick in brain cancers over like the last 20 years or so, and noting the cell phone really took off in numbers about that long ago. Where are all teh excess cancers caused by the cell phones?
Would that not be FDA data, or some similar questionable source?
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Old 20th October 2019, 02:37 PM   #103
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The cell phones of 20 to 25 years ago put out a lot more RF power (up to 1.2 watts) for longer periods of time (the old analog phones transmitted continuously when in a call), than more modern phones. The total RF exposure dose had dropped continuously with each "G" primarily because of the increased user base. This forces more towers at lower power levels to avoid interference.

The frequency band used for all early cellular phones was below 1 GHz. Modern phones tend toward keeping the phone calls on the frequencies near or above 2 GHz. The skin penetration depth of RF energy drops off as the RF frequency is increased. Very little energy from a 1700-2400 MHz phone penetrates the skull. Some of this research was done in one of our labs.

The same penetration depth issue will force a phone call to a lower frequency bald if the phone is inside a concrete building since the higher frequencies don't penetrate concrete as well either.

This guy worked in the same plant where I worked. There was an "incident" one night where a preserved head from a human cadaver was delivered to the plant, which set off some serious rumors. I talked to one of his technicians, and found that it was used to measure the RF penetration of the human skull, such that an "artificial head" could be designed for research.

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/author/37284151200

After he left another PHD guy took his place. His field was microbiology. I got to teach him how to operate, set up and measure our two way radio equipment.
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Old 20th October 2019, 03:06 PM   #104
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we’re going to see 5G added to laptops. This means even more traffic for the cell phone towers. we’ll need more towers and that’s going to be expensive. maybe there will be more network consolidation. the industry will split into backbone networks and cell phone companies who do not own them. this will change how frequency allocations are auctioned. when does 5G (6G......) merge with wifi in public spaces ? aren’t there just as many concerns about exposure to wifi?
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Old 21st October 2019, 02:53 PM   #105
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we’re going to see 5G added to laptops.
And if the IoT revolution goes where the industry claims, cars, tablets, machines, medical devices, cameras, toys .......will all have 5G connectivity.

The phone carriers (networks) make their money moving data, phone calls and texts are barely break even features today.

The USA is quietly losing TV channel space to the phone companies. TV channels 52 through 83 disappeared a while back, and stations on RF channels 37 though 51 are now being relocated to a new frequency or shut down to accommodate T-Mobile's network expansion.

5G spectrum is available, but huge challenges exist in many markets since the higher frequencies do not penetrate concrete or dense foliage. The desirable tower to user frequencies are currently occupied by TV channels.....Expect to see terrestrial TV vanish, or morph into a cellular like short range system.....There are proposals for exactly that on the horizon. As with DTV where channels 52 through 69 were reallocated, this will coincide with a shift to 4K or higher DTV resolution.

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this will change how frequency allocations are auctioned. when does 5G (6G......) merge with wifi in public spaces ?
WiFi on 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz currently operate in unlicensed spectrum allocated for ISM (industrial, scientific, military) use. There are already proposals and test systems operating whereby phone companies can occupy some of this spectrum for excess data traffic on their 4G networks.
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Old 21st October 2019, 03:59 PM   #106
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First climate change is an oncoming threat. Not anything to do with man made C02. The poles are flipping and the sun is in a minimum phase that could be the start of a new ice age. These are things we have little control over. However the 5G, smart grid internet of things is an oncoming self inflicted human disaster that should have saint Greta screaming her lungs out about. Not only are microwaves biologically hazardous beyond their heating effects, but the surveillance and control that will come with the 5G grid will usher in a technocratic tyranny the like of which Orwell and Huxley only hinted at. The end game is merging man with machine. Unfortunately most people have their backsides in the air and their hands on their strokey phones. So the corporate state and the telecoms industry are riding rough shod over safety and civil liberties. They have admitted that there have been no independent studies to show 5G is safe and that we are "flying blind". What we do have are thousands of peer reviewed studies showing how dangerous the kind of emfs that are being used (3G, 4G)and will be used in 5G. The ultimate roll out of 5G will employ mm wavelengths that are very biologically active. Indeed WiGig at 60GHz, is the resonant frequency of the oxygen molecule. 95GHz is currently being used as a weapon in civil and military defence. So unless we call a halt to this self destructive madness, we may welcome an oncoming ice age to put us out of our misery....
You know - a ton of people have been working on 5G ion labs for many years. And so far as we know they have not dropped dead.

And 3G and 4G systems in use by Billions of humans has not killed them, not animals nearby. So until then, I remain relaxed.
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That's what keeps trickling into my brain -- when I think of all the RF, of all manner of wavelengths, that I must have absorbed -- all those projects over all those years .. Granted, they were all low power, but those hours and hours spent hunched over something misbehaving and spilling RF every which way .. It simply isn't possible to develop anything electronic without considerable exposure. And I have yet to see anyone wearing a 'shield suit' while they poke around with their 'scope probe. Guess I'll remain relaxed, too.

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That's what keeps trickling into my brain -- when I think of all the RF, of all manner of wavelengths, that I must have absorbed -- all those projects over all those years .. Granted, they were all low power, but those hours and hours spent hunched over something misbehaving and spilling RF every which way .. It simply isn't possible to develop anything electronic without considerable exposure. And I have yet to see anyone wearing a 'shield suit' while they poke around with their 'scope probe. Guess I'll remain relaxed, too.
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Long term effects is not something that can be easily assessed.
How come are you so sure that if not for that long term exposure, you would have say extra 15 years of additional life, as a bonus, before the clock stops ticking?
What I intended to hint upon is the fact that once the pan-global 5G will be implemented, even with satellites beaming down on remote areas, there will basically be no sanctuary left, no place to hide, for those who wish to do so.
OK, maybe there are no long term ill effects.
But what if there are?
What if it is just big time money trying to push its agenda through, with no respect to the true consequences?

Being a 'Guinea Pig' in a technological-biological experiment would normally require for the 'Guinea Pig' to grant it's concern for such experimenting upon itself.
Not the case with 5G.
How come various communities from California are already blocking 5G in their vicinity and suing telecommunication companies that are trying to push it through?
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Old 22nd October 2019, 07:33 AM   #109
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Got interested, looked up brain cancer stats. Noting that there has been a very small - 1 per 100,000 - uptick in brain cancers over like the last 20 years or so, and noting the cell phone really took off in numbers about that long ago. Where are all teh excess cancers caused by the cell phones?
Lead time bias has some effect. Cancer is a disease of age so we expect that to raise as a cause of death over time. The juicy places to look are I'm child diseases/development for emergent ostensibly low level toxicities.
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jneutron, I admire your endless work of promoting and spreading fact and knowledge. Keep it up buddy!

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Flat out wrong.
As a practicing engineer heavily involved in the sciences, I over the years have developed critical thinking skills. Both for work, as well as for performing peer reviews for publications and review of grant proposals most people would never understand.
The list you provided, the first 20 titles had author conclusions counter to the scary titles. I personally would have been ashamed to post that stuff as proof, but that is just me.

You have demonstrated a clear lack of critical thinking skills in posting such drivel. I assume it is because you have become caught up in the frenzy the website originators intended. You have blindly trusted others who have a specific agenda you are probably unaware of.

Having children and grandchildren, I do indeed worry about the environment and their health. The sites being linked to here are not actual science based entities, they are political ones geared towards using public ignorance to achieve specific goals.

As such, they divert from the actual problems, so cannot provide actual solutions.

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