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Can you hear absolute phase? - listening test
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View Poll Results: Can you hear a difference between the files?
Yes, but I have no ABX result 2 25.00%
No, and I have no ABX result 2 25.00%
Yes, and I have a positive ABX result 4 50.00%
No, and I have a negative ABX result 0 0%
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Old 11th June 2019, 02:57 PM   #31
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Well, I'm away, and tried it with some apple earbuds I borrowed - the files are indistinguishable - but these earbuds are awful. I'll try with decent cans when I get back to the ranch!
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Old 11th June 2019, 03:40 PM   #32
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No problem, looking forward your next result!
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Old 11th June 2019, 04:33 PM   #33
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With species evolutions, our senses adapted themselves to the best ability to survive. As much of the sounds we hear from movements of animals in nature are the result of shocks (compressions) it seems obvious our hearing could be more sensible to pressure on front waves.
The other thing that can make a difference are the transducers we use. Are-they really symmetrical ? I am not sure ;-)
I think the logic is faulty here.

1) Something seeming "obvious" to a human is a form of cognitive bias - it doesn't necessarily have a basis in truth, more likely that leap of thought is culturally influenced.

2) Your common belief about how our bodies work and relating it to once having to react to nature isn't necessarily true in the first place. Which makes your leap of logic more a leap of faith..

I only pick up on this not as a criticism but more to point out that, despite this being a common and often repeated belief about the development of our senses, it does not mean it is true. In fact I don't think there is really much proof of it being true - yes there are a lot of theories, but I'm not sure confirmed proof .
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Old 15th June 2019, 04:53 AM   #34
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Most of us (^)wouldn’t have survived very long say 50,000 years ago either I’m guessing...

I will have to load the sound clips onto an SD card here and try it out when I get a chance.
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Old 22nd June 2019, 03:51 PM   #35
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Here's an article from Stereophile, 1980: Absolute Phase: Fact or Fallacy? | Stereophile.com

tl;dr They attribute audibility of absolute phase to transducer asymmetric nonlinearities.
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Old 22nd June 2019, 04:05 PM   #36
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Check out Archimago's article on Absolute Polarity/Phase with several examples one can download and listen to.
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Old 22nd June 2019, 04:40 PM   #37
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PS. should have added the first paragraph of Arch's conclusion from the article linked above:

"Well guys and gals, indeed absolute polarity/phase is an audible phenomenon. This is an interesting property of the physiology of human hearing. I'm a believer! And was definitely wrong last week to assume that "absolute polarity" was about whether the first wave was up/down going, and the J.G. Holt Stereophile article from 1980 could use a little updating to include the physiology of the human inner ear."
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Old 22nd June 2019, 05:16 PM   #38
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Nice link, better than mine! But Stereophile wasn't wrong with the result that with usual music and good equipment it is not generally heard.

BTW, I took the ABX test. 8/8, wasn't hard.
"ABX Test" app for Android, Samsung S7, Sennheiser Momentum M2 in-ears.
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Old 7th July 2019, 11:56 PM   #39
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I am not sure I am preferring "absolute phase" when I switch the phase - but for most recordings there is a best position.

It can manifest itself in different ways - one cannot simply listen for one thing.

If one is listening to a recording and it occurs to you there is something funny - switch the phase. Most of the time it is better - sometimes it is even funnier. Oh, well. You switch back. Now you know it could be worse.
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Old 8th July 2019, 03:19 AM   #40
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with headphones the POS hits more deep, the other has some slight sharpness, the POS dullness, however I cannot tell which is which , 50/50 on headphones.
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