IR Remote Protocols - Other Remote Info

PB2 · 1st August 2009, 02:50 AM

I've been looking into doing a custom remote and noticed that some of the projects here do
not mention the protocol being used. Some also do not decode the address field and therefore
will not be compatible with a multifunction remote.
Thought I'd post some links here to the better documentation that I've found.

This covers some of the more popular protocols, including the NEC and easy to decode Sony:
http://www.remotecentral.com/features/irdisp3.htm

This link is to a document providing PBASIC STAMP code for the Sony protocol:
http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/prod...moteAppKit.pdf

And an errata to the previous:
http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/prod...rrata-v1.0.pdf

Stamps are particularly easy to set up and program however, I don't like the interpreted code,
lack of interrupt handling etc. Here is some info on a PicBasic Compiler that I think makes a lot of sense however it is not free, and I doubt I'll purchase it - anyone tried it?
http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic2.htm

I've got an AVR development board here that I will also look into at some point.

This site has different types of remotes and low cost preprogrammed parts for IR Remotes
using the Sony protocol:
http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic/RemoteControl.htm

Posted here to have a place for links to sources for documentation, code, parts, etc. for remote projects.

Pete B.

theAnonymous1 · 1st August 2009, 05:01 AM

Hi Pete,

Is there a way to decode an existing remote signal of unknown protocol?

I have an iMON remote (USB PC receiver) that I would like to make my own 2-channel receiver for (volume up/down).

Thanks

PB2 · 1st August 2009, 03:03 PM

Hi,

An IR protocol analyzer would be interesting. There is mention of one on this page:
http://www.home-electro.com/jp1.php

The IR modulation frequency is not standardized; some are 36, 38, 40 or 50 KHz.
I wonder how the universal remotes handle this?

I happen to be using a 38 kHz sensor here with a universal remote set to Sony which should be
40 KHz and there are no problems as far as I can see. The Panasonic sensor does have AGC built in that might be cleaning things up:
https://www.solarbotics.com/products/pna4602

If you know or can find the modulation frequency you could get a Panasonic type sensor, power it up and look at the demodulated data
stream with a scope. Another option is to open the ball receiver that comes with the iMon and see if you can probe the output if the IR sensor.

The receiver has USB output, you could provide a USB port on whatever controller you choose. This company seems to have
good, in circuit programmable development boards at a good price:
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=2

Lots of options ...

Steerpike · 1st August 2009, 04:50 PM

An easy way to inspect the IR signal is to get one of the all-in-one receiver modules (I use the Siemens SFH5110 - which comes in 5 different variants for the different carriers). The output of this chip (a chip which looks like a three terminal LED) can be plugged (almost) directly into a PC soundcard, through a 10uF capacitor and 10k resistor.

Any audio recording software that displays an oscillograph of the recording can be used to show the data pattern, and if you choose a 'nice' sampling frequency like 50kHz, the timing is easy to work out.

SOME protocols (Nokia / ITT) use no modulation, and the Siemens receiver doesnt pick them up at all.

PB2 · 2nd August 2009, 05:09 AM

Here is free PC Scope software that works with a sound card: http://duncan.rutgers.edu/physicsfreewares.htm

theAnonymous1 · 2nd August 2009, 01:19 PM

Thanks guys, I believe the IR signal from this remote is 38kHz.

Neil Davis · 2nd August 2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theAnonymous1
Thanks guys, I believe the IR signal from this remote is 38kHz.

I just tried my Veris remote control (Antec/iMon) with my remote control detection software, and it identified the protocol as RC5. I'm using a 38KHz receiver and I could detect the signal from across the room, so 38KHz is probably right.

My remote control detection software is far from perfect--but look at the logic diagram on slide 16 and you can see how it got to "RC5"

http://www.audiodevelopers.com/temp/Remote_Controls.ppt

This briefing documented what I learned while trying to develop a universal remote control reader. Eventually I gave up--there were just too many weird variations and it stopped being fun after awhile. I just went with NEC TV for my own use, since it is so well supported and easy to decode.

psgr · 2nd August 2009, 07:33 PM

Hi,

have you tried Lirc or winlirc

http://www.lirc.org/

Neil Davis · 2nd August 2009, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psgr
Hi,

have you tried Lirc or winlirc

http://www.lirc.org/

Neither OS likes the fact that I only have 512 bytes of RAM

My project was for embedded stuff--Freescale 68S08 series micro, for an audio preamp.

Lirc is a great resource.

PB2 · 5th August 2009, 12:31 AM

Thanks, Lirc looks very good and interesting.

Anyone know if the Sony code has a toggle bit, or any indication of button up/down? I did look, can't seem to find any mention of it.

Pete B.

1st August 2009, 02:50 AM	#1
PB2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North East	IR Remote Protocols - Other Remote Info I've been looking into doing a custom remote and noticed that some of the projects here do not mention the protocol being used. Some also do not decode the address field and therefore will not be compatible with a multifunction remote. Thought I'd post some links here to the better documentation that I've found. This covers some of the more popular protocols, including the NEC and easy to decode Sony: http://www.remotecentral.com/features/irdisp3.htm This link is to a document providing PBASIC STAMP code for the Sony protocol: http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/prod...moteAppKit.pdf And an errata to the previous: http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/prod...rrata-v1.0.pdf Stamps are particularly easy to set up and program however, I don't like the interpreted code, lack of interrupt handling etc. Here is some info on a PicBasic Compiler that I think makes a lot of sense however it is not free, and I doubt I'll purchase it - anyone tried it? http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic2.htm I've got an AVR development board here that I will also look into at some point. This site has different types of remotes and low cost preprogrammed parts for IR Remotes using the Sony protocol: http://www.rentron.com/PicBasic/RemoteControl.htm Posted here to have a place for links to sources for documentation, code, parts, etc. for remote projects. Pete B.

1st August 2009, 03:03 PM	#3
PB2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North East	IR Protocol Analyzer Hi, An IR protocol analyzer would be interesting. There is mention of one on this page: http://www.home-electro.com/jp1.php The IR modulation frequency is not standardized; some are 36, 38, 40 or 50 KHz. I wonder how the universal remotes handle this? I happen to be using a 38 kHz sensor here with a universal remote set to Sony which should be 40 KHz and there are no problems as far as I can see. The Panasonic sensor does have AGC built in that might be cleaning things up: https://www.solarbotics.com/products/pna4602 If you know or can find the modulation frequency you could get a Panasonic type sensor, power it up and look at the demodulated data stream with a scope. Another option is to open the ball receiver that comes with the iMon and see if you can probe the output if the IR sensor. The receiver has USB output, you could provide a USB port on whatever controller you choose. This company seems to have good, in circuit programmable development boards at a good price: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php?c=2 Lots of options ...

1st August 2009, 04:50 PM	#4
Steerpike diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa	An easy way to inspect the IR signal is to get one of the all-in-one receiver modules (I use the Siemens SFH5110 - which comes in 5 different variants for the different carriers). The output of this chip (a chip which looks like a three terminal LED) can be plugged (almost) directly into a PC soundcard, through a 10uF capacitor and 10k resistor. Any audio recording software that displays an oscillograph of the recording can be used to show the data pattern, and if you choose a 'nice' sampling frequency like 50kHz, the timing is easy to work out. SOME protocols (Nokia / ITT) use no modulation, and the Siemens receiver doesnt pick them up at all. __________________ Steerpike's Toybox

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1st August 2009, 05:01 AM	#2
theAnonymous1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anonymityville	Hi Pete, Is there a way to decode an existing remote signal of unknown protocol? I have an iMON remote (USB PC receiver) that I would like to make my own 2-channel receiver for (volume up/down). Thanks

2nd August 2009, 05:09 AM	#5
PB2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North East	Here is free PC Scope software that works with a sound card: http://duncan.rutgers.edu/physicsfreewares.htm

2nd August 2009, 01:19 PM	#6
theAnonymous1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anonymityville	Thanks guys, I believe the IR signal from this remote is 38kHz.

2nd August 2009, 07:33 PM	#8
psgr diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2008	Hi, have you tried Lirc or winlirc http://www.lirc.org/

5th August 2009, 12:31 AM	#10
PB2 diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: North East	Thanks, Lirc looks very good and interesting. Anyone know if the Sony code has a toggle bit, or any indication of button up/down? I did look, can't seem to find any mention of it. Pete B.