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Old 13th September 2010, 09:58 PM   #21
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I received an old (really old!) IG-18 today. The lamp itself is marked SYL 90V. I was able to cross-ref to a Sylvania 90MB, which is a T2 bayonet-mount bulb with the right envelope shape, 90 volts at 30mA, giving a hot resistance of 3k ohms. I pulled one lead of the lamp and its cold resistance is around 280 ohms. I say around because even the small current from the ohmmeter raised it to 290 ohms while I was measuring. This all seems to be in the right ballpark to me, even though the cold R seems low.
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Old 17th September 2010, 06:51 PM   #22
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I decided to take the old eBay IG-18 and revisit Reg Williamson's "greening." The results are here: IG-18 #11. Had a couple of surprises.

A second IG-18 arrived, and one or the other of the two will be the platform for using Bob Cordell's great state-variable oscillator circuitry, for which I did a board layout. Don't have a timetable for that yet.

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Old 17th September 2010, 10:23 PM   #23
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Regarding your problem with the darlington modification, Williamson retracted that change in the fourth issue of 1971. He recommended going back to a single transistor. Other letters in the Audio Amateur in subsequent issues confirmed the Darlington problem.
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Old 18th September 2010, 12:22 AM   #24
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Thx Bill. Good to know that. As an occasional contributer to AA and long-time subscriber, I don't know how I missed that...
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Old 18th September 2010, 04:40 PM   #25
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I had nothing but problems with mine. I stopped using it years ago.

I own Ap system one, Tek SG-505, and HP-239.

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Old 18th September 2010, 09:22 PM   #26
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Well, audiohead, you've got the stuff. How do the HP239 and the SG505 compare, when measure with the AP1? I've never had either one. Interesting variation there -- the SG505 is a "phase shift" oscillator, i.e. a state-variable design like the Cordell. The HP239 is a Bridged-Tee very much like the IG-18, except the Bridged-Tee filter has range caps in a 100:1 ratio, compared to the 10:1 ratio of the IG-18. This means that the filter selectivity is much higher in the 239, which I'm sure helps distortion and stability. And the 239 has a JFET AGC control very similar to those in Cordell's design and in the SG505. It would be fairly straightforward to convert the IG-18 to a 239 using the resistor frequency switches and dual pot, and re wiring the range switch to use 8 caps instead of 5. Then redo the power supply for +/- 15V and use a 5534 for the oscillator device and for an output buffer amp, and maybe a couple of 5534s or OPA134s or LM318s for the AGC loop amps/integrators.

Not long ago, I sold most of my gear including a Cordell oscillator and THD analyzer, and those boxes were just very good, with residuals less than 5ppm at 1kHz. Then I got to missing them and decided to get another IG-18 to use as the base for the Cordell oscillator as I had done before. Then I got the second IG-18 fairly cheaply, so decided to re-visit the greening. There's still some playing to do there. The attraction of these oldies but goodies are the switches, and precision caps and resistors that make it easy to do what starting from scratch these days is not, given the relative absence of mechanical parts out there.
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Old 19th September 2010, 03:37 AM   #27
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IG-18 never worked right for me since I bought it in mid 70's while in college. Never bothered to do the mods in TAA.

505 and 239 work every time.
I use them quite often.

I still have a sound tech 1700B, I grew up with it. The generator takes too long to settle in low distortion mode.

SG-505 with its own mainframe TM-502 is too deep, at times I do not have enough room on my work bench to use it. The second one shares the TM-504 mainframe with AA-501.

My favorite AF gen is Leader LAG-125B. It is small and reliable, though the THD+N is only -70 dB.
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Old 19th September 2010, 04:41 AM   #28
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Is the Leader resistance tuned or capacitance tuned? Does it use a FET for AGC?
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Yes.
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Yes, tuning is by variable capacitors and JFET AGC or yes, tuning is by variable resistors and JFET AGC, or....?
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