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Old 4th April 2020, 03:48 PM   #1
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I've recently completed the TU-8200R Kit.
I've tried it with two pairs of speakers:
Axiom M3Ti (92 dB sensitivity, circa 2002) and Athena LS100B (87 dB sensitivity) circa 2007 - $50 each from Audio Advisor).

To me, the Athenas have been more enjoyable. Even with a smaller woofer, there seems to be more balance and low end. Both have decent soundstage, but the Axioms to me seem more bright, but not in a pleasant way. My listening habits range from Indie/noise rock to Blue Note Jazz to 20th century classical.

Naturally, I'm looking at new speakers (around $500) and have focused on these:

Klipsch RP-600M
Amazon.com: Klipsch RP-600M Bookshelf Speakers (Pair) (Ebony): Home Audio & Theater

Klipsch RP-5000f - I don't have stands, would be nice to not need them.
Amazon.com: Klipsch RP-5000F Floorstanding Speakers (Walnut): Home Audio & Theater

KEF Q150
Amazon.com: KEF Q150 Bookshelf Speakers (Pair, Walnut): Home Audio & Theater

Any experience or advice?
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Old 4th April 2020, 05:35 PM   #2
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$500 is good enough to buy a pair of good full range speaker
Fostex BK-12m Folded Horn Kit - Pair
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Any experience or advice?
Normal, quite textbook advice...
You trade efficiency for (low) extension, that's why the less sensitive speakers sound more round, less edgy, with a profound bass.
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Full range speaker will not offer you MSG Bass but it will offer the layer of emotion music.. NO HIFI.. we are talking about musical music...
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Axiom M3Ti
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Athena LS100B
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Klipsch RP-600M
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Klipsch RP-5000f
Canít find an impedance measure for these, but i have looked up many and they are broadly similar to the one above

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KEF Q150
Canít find this one either, but here is the Q350 i expect it is broadly similar

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Most SE amplifiers have highsh output impedance (Victor do you know what it is?) so of prime concern is a flattish impedance response. A fraction of the shape of the impedance will impose itself on the FR, and flat impedance is, i believe, much more important then sensitivity ó especially considerin gthat manufacturers often cherry pick that spec (ie Klipsch are often much less than specced).

With most amplifiers out there with low output impedance, most manufacturers donít care about the impedance.

Often you will find that people like to use FR speakers with SE amps, somewhat due to the tendency of FR to have a much flatter impedance curve.

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...Fostex BK-12m Folded Horn Kit...
A good example of a FR box. I was part of the development team for this box and i will note that, to fit the format of the BK horns, it is more compromised than most of the other horns we have done. FH3 for instance with the same driver is better. And, althou one would have to give up some efficiency, there are better drivers to use in it.

My goto FR for low power SE tube amps is tha Alpair 10p, which fits the Frugel-Horn XL. It will cost more than $500 thou unless you can build them yourself. Flat paks are about $400 (but not currently available due to the plague), and drivers are cheap at Madisound right now.

There are othe r boxes too that work well.

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Normal, quite textbook advice...
You trade efficiency for (low) extension, that's why the less sensitive speakers sound more round, less edgy, with a profound bass.
That is generally true, but a really big box can compensate.

For the FE126En. Woden Design | Valiant

(note that all of the mentioned FR boxes come from the same team).

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Dave, thanks for the overview of the imp. & phase of the models mentioned, which frankly I didn't take care to look at, because of the nature of this site and being my attitude, also often disgusted just by the sight of them, no offense to the well reputed brands.
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might apply to this vast camp, loudspeakers and amp&LS together ( let's not count cables)

ATM I'm using Pioneer amplifier ( 520&9520 mosfet, cmos inputs & routing) and Pioneer 6 1/2" ( 60-6000 Hz written on the magnet, running "free") + (mica) horn metal cast tweeter CLC filtered in BR box.
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For the FE126En. Woden Design | Valiant
Nice, i know that design since 10 years ago, when I signed to this forum.
Thinking of it ( my latest two "creatures" are bifurcated tapered TL, so similar in some ways), could one "wing" be removed, and a resonator used in the (unused) back chamber ?! Similar to some design/example of Martin J. King !?
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This is the magic of oven Baffler speaker - no Box, no sub, no crossover, no msg bass...
I only trust my ears... Instruments cannot measure the aria
You just need a pice of pine wood + the driver
This was extracted from Stereophile written by JASON VICTOR SERINUS

I was drawn to the room by the beauty of Cecilia Bartoli’s voice on an aria from her recent Antonio Vivaldi CD. I frequently play tracks from this disc at home, so I know that orchestral instruments should have had more weight and body than they did here. The recorder, on the other hand, sounded drop-dead beautiful. I also heard a 1992 direct-to-disc recording of Joe Pass playing “Unforgettable;” the quality of attack and fineness of line were very special. This system, then,like many systems based on full-range drivers, has many virtues but is suited to particular tastes.

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