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Old 17th April 2020, 09:17 PM   #21
gpdavis2 is offline gpdavis2  United States
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MC, only. I have no MMs or HOMCs.
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Old 17th April 2020, 11:06 PM   #22
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You are getting a very healthy gain for that cart on that 63dB input.

I tried using the 8500 without the step up transformer just out of curiosity. but at 0.12mV I had the volume knob pegged.

How do you like that cart?? All of the reviews I read about last year when I was looking for a new cartridge were highly positive.It was 3rd on my list only because of the price, I had just bought a Triplanar MKVii U2 SE. Spending all of that just within the span of a week seemed like too much, Lol
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Old 17th April 2020, 11:20 PM   #23
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Going a bit far afield, but the Cadenza Black is excellent. I'm an Ortofon 'house sound' fan, now being on my second stylus in the Kontrapunkt-b.

With my TU-8500 I've put about 25hr on the K-b, about 25hr on the AT33R, now about 25hr on the Cadenza Black and will be swapping in the Kleos when I'm thru typing this. Each has its own sound, but the two Ortofons are similar.

I was thinking I might add a K&K SUT (Lundahl) in front of the phono input so could run at the MM level. As everything fully breaks-in I'm no longer sure that will be necessary. But, Victor's Sun Valley tube phono-stage with Lundahl SUTs may be just what I want. We'll see.
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Old 17th April 2020, 11:40 PM   #24
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Default Entry level MC for 8500

I have only used MM cartridges with my 8500. Recommendations for a MC that won't break the bank to compare to my MM's. I've rolled in the OPA2227p and given them about 50 hours of listening, won't be going back, I really love this preamp...just gets better and better...thanks
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Old 17th April 2020, 11:52 PM   #25
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Same feeling here. Of all the gear I've owned (from mild to wild - just sold my last piece of Mark Levinson) the TU-8500 gives me as much joy as any single one of them. I'm listening to Chick Corea's "Friends" with the Kleos and think it is worth every cent.

As I do not know how big your bank is I'm not sure what would break it. I'm also a fan of the AT house sound, so for $1000, give or take, I would recommend the AT-ART7 or ART9. getting close to $500 one of the upgraded DL103s would be very nice. Talk to Steve Leung at VAS Audio. He has a few versions of the 103 available and won't steer you wrong. The biggest surprise you will get is how much quieter & more detailed an MC is compared to a MM. The TU-8500 phono-stage does a good job with them.
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Old 18th April 2020, 02:19 AM   #26
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Going a bit far afield, but the Cadenza Black is excellent. I'm an Ortofon 'house sound' fan, now being on my second stylus in the Kontrapunkt-b.

With my TU-8500 I've put about 25hr on the K-b, about 25hr on the AT33R, now about 25hr on the Cadenza Black and will be swapping in the Kleos when I'm thru typing this. Each has its own sound, but the two Ortofons are similar.

I was thinking I might add a K&K SUT (Lundahl) in front of the phono input so could run at the MM level. As everything fully breaks-in I'm no longer sure that will be necessary. But, Victor's Sun Valley tube phono-stage with Lundahl SUTs may be just what I want. We'll see.
Im going to have to consider the Cardenza in the future!

That's a pretty impressive cartridge collection!! And I just have to say Im very impressed you own a Kontrapunkt B, and a Kleos! How exactly did you go about getting the stylus changed? does Ortofon do that in house?

I understand where you are coming from, The ART7 is my first air coil and I'm hooked. I would really like to add the AT50ANV to my collection. I love the sound signature.

All of your cartridges have pretty good outputs, looks like the Cadenza is the lowest one? Looks like your good without a SUT.

That new Sun Valley Phono does look very interesting. Im keeping a close eye on it. no plans right now though, Im very satisfied with my 8500, I have never heard a cleaner signal than what I'm getting.
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Old 18th April 2020, 02:25 AM   #27
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Think these days Ortofon gives one a credit towards a new cartridge. Not sure, but they once did in-house retips.
Peter Lederman (sp?) at Soundsmith does a good job as does Steve Leung at VAS Audio. They have good websites that provide info on their retip services. Selection of stylus shapes & cantilever materials. Have used both and always happy with their service. Steve rebuilds cartridge suspensions and also services TAs. Had him rewire my Stax with Nordost Valhalla silver.
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Old 18th April 2020, 02:37 AM   #28
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I have only used MM cartridges with my 8500. Recommendations for a MC that won't break the bank to compare to my MM's. I've rolled in the OPA2227p and given them about 50 hours of listening, won't be going back, I really love this preamp...just gets better and better...thanks
I've only been into MC for a few years now.. The first time I heard one it blew my mind. A lighter cantilever makes a pretty big difference!

Audio Technica AT-OC9 variants start from a couple hundred to upper $700 depending on the stylus type, plus they have a 0.4mV output so you won't need a step up transformer.

It sure does! It's like whiskey from a barrel! the flavor changes for the better over time .
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Old 18th April 2020, 02:50 AM   #29
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Think these days Ortofon gives one a credit towards a new cartridge. Not sure, but they once did in-house retips.
Peter Lederman (sp?) at Soundsmith does a good job as does Steve Leung at VAS Audio. They have good websites that provide info on their retip services. Selection of stylus shapes & cantilever materials. Have used both and always happy with their service. Steve rebuilds cartridge suspensions and also services TAs. Had him rewire my Stax with Nordost Valhalla silver.
There are several vintage cartridges I've had my eyes on for some time now, like the AT1000MC, but only used can be found these days. how much did it cost if you don't mind sharing that?
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Old 18th April 2020, 11:11 AM   #30
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There are several vintage cartridges I've had my eyes on for some time now, like the AT1000MC, but only used can be found these days. how much did it cost if you don't mind sharing that?
At the time (some years ago) I went with what was Soundsmith's best, which was $350. Sounds as good as ever. The selection of stylus configurations and cantilever materials has grown since that time and prices have gone up accordingly. I have always stayed with the original configurations for both, wanting to stay with the original sound.

BTW - both my Kleos and Candenza Black have been retipped. I'm not into paying $2800 or $3800 for a new cartridge and keep my eye out for ones with snapped off cantilevers. $400-500 for the cartridge and the same for a quality retip is a much better deal. I've not purchased a 'used' cart and would likely only do so if the cost of the used cartridge and retip (if needed) total were still a good deal compared to new. The way I purchase the seller must agree to send to Steve Leung for a 'check up' (not free) and if he gives a clean bill-of-health then we are good. Steve checks everything (suspension, etc.) when he does a retip.

Another cartridge I've always wanted to try is a Sumiko Blackbird LO version. Can be had new for ~$1000. Micro Benz periodically puts out a run of factory retipped carts at good prices as well. Just have to keep surfing the used audio websites, including that big auction website. All my carts except the Kleos came from Japan. The K-b & AT33R were new. Just like our great little Elekit TU-8500.
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