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Ghianni.
""Samsung likely to beat others to U.S. market with Blu-ray disc player
Jun 20, 2006 12:33 PM
Retail availability of the first Blu-ray disc player in the United States is scheduled for June 25, according to an announcement last week from Samsung Electronics America.
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Shipments to retailers of the BD-P1000 Blu-ray disc player have already begun. The commercial availability will come on the heels of Sony’s announced delivery of the first seven movie titles available on Blu-ray Disc.
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Sony announced last week that “50 First Dates," "The Fifth Element," "Hitch" and the "House of Flying Daggers" will be available June 20 in the Blu-ray format. LionsGate Pictures is also expected to release Blu-ray content in June.
The Samsung BD-P1000 plays Blu-ray software titles at native 1080p and offers HDMI output for films digitally mastered in 1920 x 1080p. The BD-P1000 also up-converts conventional DVDs to 1080p through the HDMI digital interface.""
Ghianni.
""Samsung likely to beat others to U.S. market with Blu-ray disc player
Jun 20, 2006 12:33 PM
Retail availability of the first Blu-ray disc player in the United States is scheduled for June 25, according to an announcement last week from Samsung Electronics America.
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Shipments to retailers of the BD-P1000 Blu-ray disc player have already begun. The commercial availability will come on the heels of Sony’s announced delivery of the first seven movie titles available on Blu-ray Disc.
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Sony announced last week that “50 First Dates," "The Fifth Element," "Hitch" and the "House of Flying Daggers" will be available June 20 in the Blu-ray format. LionsGate Pictures is also expected to release Blu-ray content in June.
The Samsung BD-P1000 plays Blu-ray software titles at native 1080p and offers HDMI output for films digitally mastered in 1920 x 1080p. The BD-P1000 also up-converts conventional DVDs to 1080p through the HDMI digital interface.""
No way people are going to pay $1,000 for a Blu-ray player when they can get a perfectly good DVD player for $50.
I predict we are going to see 42-inch HD plasma screens at around $1,000 this Christmas. Lots of plasma screens are going to be sold. For Sony to take advantage of that and not get steamrolled by Toshiba, the players have to be priced reasonably. I don't think anyone will be in a hurry to upgrade from "good enough" HD to Blu-ray. Then Blu-ray will be another Betamax or SACD--superior formats nobody cares about today, if anyone even remembers them.
A normal company would have learned from the Betamax and SACD fiascos. But Sony seems to be unable to learn from mistakes. It doesn't seem to play by the same rules as other companies. I'm not sure Sony even plays with a full deck. It has to be the most schizophrenic company on the planet.
I predict we are going to see 42-inch HD plasma screens at around $1,000 this Christmas. Lots of plasma screens are going to be sold. For Sony to take advantage of that and not get steamrolled by Toshiba, the players have to be priced reasonably. I don't think anyone will be in a hurry to upgrade from "good enough" HD to Blu-ray. Then Blu-ray will be another Betamax or SACD--superior formats nobody cares about today, if anyone even remembers them.
A normal company would have learned from the Betamax and SACD fiascos. But Sony seems to be unable to learn from mistakes. It doesn't seem to play by the same rules as other companies. I'm not sure Sony even plays with a full deck. It has to be the most schizophrenic company on the planet.
Worth mentioning (along with sony's failures some things they may have got right).....
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Betamax was better but they lost out on price in the end but did sony loose out on price over SACD? No... but then DVD-A did no better either.
I think $1000 for the veyr first player is very good (how much was the first CD player and in what year?, how much was the first DVD, LD, DAT, VCR???)
I would even guess the $1000 is probs the cheapest 1st product out of them all....
And they won't stay at the price for long at all...
Loads of people have spent a lot more on Plasmas, LCD's etc. that are HD ready... I am sure it will come down to who is 1st out, then which has best/most films then a price war on players....
John
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PSone
PStwo
good TV's
Betamax was better but they lost out on price in the end but did sony loose out on price over SACD? No... but then DVD-A did no better either.
I think $1000 for the veyr first player is very good (how much was the first CD player and in what year?, how much was the first DVD, LD, DAT, VCR???)
I would even guess the $1000 is probs the cheapest 1st product out of them all....
And they won't stay at the price for long at all...
Loads of people have spent a lot more on Plasmas, LCD's etc. that are HD ready... I am sure it will come down to who is 1st out, then which has best/most films then a price war on players....
John
The reason I call Sony schizophrenic is that it has been more innovative than perhaps any other company in the post war era. The Sony and Philips laboratories are were the action is. Because of that Sony is also the company that makes ME look schizophrenic. I generally don't like multi-national companies. But I love much of what Sony and Philips do.
Then Sony does crap like installing spyware on people's computers and you can't but hate it. When they got busted they offered a program that uninstalls it, only it installs another spyware! That makes Sony a sleazy company, and a company which products I cannot support. In fact, I want nothing to do with companies, or people, of that kind. I would consider it a moral victory if Sony went bankrupt. There's no excuse for being a sleaze. It's a choice.
While a $50 DVD player isn't an alternative to a $1,000 Blu-ray player, there's no difference until you have a HD TV set. (I only started to hate my roughly 400 DVD-5 discs after I got a plasma screen.) The "good enough" HD DVD player costs $500. And the HD DVD will work on your PC and is backed by Microsoft.
Edit: My point wasn't that the Blu-ray competes with a TV set. That would be stupid. The point was that when people go HD en masse, there's going to be a demand for HD formats. And the format that gets the upper hand, as VHS over Betamax, is likely to keep it.
Then Sony does crap like installing spyware on people's computers and you can't but hate it. When they got busted they offered a program that uninstalls it, only it installs another spyware! That makes Sony a sleazy company, and a company which products I cannot support. In fact, I want nothing to do with companies, or people, of that kind. I would consider it a moral victory if Sony went bankrupt. There's no excuse for being a sleaze. It's a choice.
While a $50 DVD player isn't an alternative to a $1,000 Blu-ray player, there's no difference until you have a HD TV set. (I only started to hate my roughly 400 DVD-5 discs after I got a plasma screen.) The "good enough" HD DVD player costs $500. And the HD DVD will work on your PC and is backed by Microsoft.
Edit: My point wasn't that the Blu-ray competes with a TV set. That would be stupid. The point was that when people go HD en masse, there's going to be a demand for HD formats. And the format that gets the upper hand, as VHS over Betamax, is likely to keep it.
Sony is as much multiheaded as multinational. Ask the Vaio people what a C800G is and the odds are they wouldn't have a clue. There is an entire semiconductor division even though other parts of Sony appear to have their own semiconductor fabrication agreements, if not their own facilities. And it can only be a matter of time before the PS1/2/3 mob, SCE are spun off as a standalone entity.
The difference between discs and cassettes is that one player can play all discs so you end up with the current system that sees DVD-x,y and z co existing and as Sony owns a pretty large amount of content the universal player will probably save the day.
The difference between discs and cassettes is that one player can play all discs so you end up with the current system that sees DVD-x,y and z co existing and as Sony owns a pretty large amount of content the universal player will probably save the day.
Just a couple of things on this:
First, while the Samsung unit is $1000, which may seem cheap for a first product, the HD-DVD player is $500, as a first product. (I don't remember the manufacturer off the top of my head)
Second, the Samsung unit won't play dual layer blue-ray disks without a firmware upgrade.
Third, we're back in the stupid format war, no one's going to win. I agree with Pinkmouse, wait. At least let the studios get more than a handful of movies out the door.
Of course, to put all of this into perspective, I own a 27" tube non-HD TV, and a cheap Samsung DVD player, so I'm not exactly cutting edge on that front.
First, while the Samsung unit is $1000, which may seem cheap for a first product, the HD-DVD player is $500, as a first product. (I don't remember the manufacturer off the top of my head)
Second, the Samsung unit won't play dual layer blue-ray disks without a firmware upgrade.
Third, we're back in the stupid format war, no one's going to win. I agree with Pinkmouse, wait. At least let the studios get more than a handful of movies out the door.
Of course, to put all of this into perspective, I own a 27" tube non-HD TV, and a cheap Samsung DVD player, so I'm not exactly cutting edge on that front.
I'm very much rooting for Blu-Ray. It has close to twice the storage capacity & higher data rate so will be better for audio.
To answer an earlier question... if you have ever seen HD vrs DVD quality there will be no question as to why. And HD is realistically only at 720p with 1080p soon to be common.
Whether it or HD-DVD wins will, in the end, come down to who gets available software titles. So far Blu-Ray has the most biggies behind it (including Sony & Disney), but these guys are easily swayed. And don't forget that with a new video format, the porn industry plays a big role. M$ has lined up behind HD-DVD, Apple behind Blu-Ray (keep in mind that the industry standard Hollywood computer is a Mac).
HD-DVD looks to have a big edge on entry level price with the 1st machines, but this does not take into consideration that the next PlayStation will become the least expensive Blu-Ray player.
HD-DVD also has an initial edge in that the current DVD pressing plants can be used to press HD-DVDs whereas they will need some retrofitting to press Blu-Ray.
dave
To answer an earlier question... if you have ever seen HD vrs DVD quality there will be no question as to why. And HD is realistically only at 720p with 1080p soon to be common.
Whether it or HD-DVD wins will, in the end, come down to who gets available software titles. So far Blu-Ray has the most biggies behind it (including Sony & Disney), but these guys are easily swayed. And don't forget that with a new video format, the porn industry plays a big role. M$ has lined up behind HD-DVD, Apple behind Blu-Ray (keep in mind that the industry standard Hollywood computer is a Mac).
HD-DVD looks to have a big edge on entry level price with the 1st machines, but this does not take into consideration that the next PlayStation will become the least expensive Blu-Ray player.
HD-DVD also has an initial edge in that the current DVD pressing plants can be used to press HD-DVDs whereas they will need some retrofitting to press Blu-Ray.
dave
Well, it seems that soming is going on.... take a look at here: http://www.tvbeurope.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=259&Itemid=1
Ghianni.
Ghianni.
Ghianni said:
I hadn't realized Sonic Solutions had sucked up Roxio... that is good news. Apple's built-in CD/DVD burning is based on Roxio code IIRC, so that means the software basis for blu-ray burners in the Mac is already in place.
BTW Teac has already engineered multi-layer blu-ray disks capable of storing 200 GB.
dave
May be this is interesting to you.
Take a look at here: http://oto-online.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=116&Itemid=49
G.
Take a look at here: http://oto-online.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=116&Itemid=49
G.
planet10 said:
And this is why Blu-Ray is never going to be another Betamax or SACD.
A single blu-ray disk can handle over 24 times as much data as a double-layer DVD, making it an excellent choice for archiving data. A 200gb tape drive is often well over a thousand dollars, and the tape drive cartridges are expensive. Blu-ray is going to be adopted very fast by the users of enterprise-level systems, and enterprise-level systems mean big budgets.
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