Go Back   Home > Forums > >
Home Forums Rules Articles diyAudio Store Blogs Gallery Wiki Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Digital Source Digital Players and Recorders: CD , SACD , Tape, Memory Card, etc.

Best way to mod cheap cd-players-enhancing the noise
Best way to mod cheap cd-players-enhancing the noise
Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 30th January 2019, 03:52 AM   #51
dreamth is offline dreamth  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Finally i got it all in one box for players that don't need any modification.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_5394.jpg (895.2 KB, 104 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5393.jpg (982.4 KB, 105 views)
File Type: png yamahaultimtapedr.png (63.1 KB, 94 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 1st February 2019, 11:20 PM   #52
dreamth is offline dreamth  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Paralleling the i/v sections of a double op-amp was the most stupid thing i did as the dc offset for lm833 led to one's output close to +rail in one op-amp and to -rail in the other, but the sound somehow became "better" whatever it might be with a double load on one op-amp(500 ohms), but less capacitance than it should be there.Actually this lm833 doesn't stop amazing me.I've tortured it in countless ways.

Last edited by dreamth; 1st February 2019 at 11:26 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 4th February 2019, 05:49 AM   #53
dreamth is offline dreamth  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Now i finally solved the parallel I/V section problem and the sound is acceptable, but actually not better than the LM833 alone.I just used the components i had at hand to verify if it's possible to do it and it works really well.I might try a few different values for the caps here and there , but the topology is valid and applicable to other DAC's too.
Attached Images
File Type: png currenttovol123.png (65.4 KB, 73 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5458.jpg (1.03 MB, 73 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 5th February 2019, 03:27 AM   #54
dreamth is offline dreamth  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
I finally made it!
After a few weeks into trying some new ideas, i started to build a final I/V stage based on paralleling both sections of a lm833 op-amp so that I can drive easily some tough loads including some a passive filters .
I settled on two variations .One was used for higher gain to drive the headphones amplifier directly at double gain(1k5 feedback resistor) the other to drive the tape-head system that has it's own gain , (750 ohms feedback resistor).
The simulations are meaningless, they just helped me to find the right combination of passive components.

The capacitor values aren't really the best choice, i just had those values among my limited components stock...I should have used actually bigger capacitors for the resistor feedback values to have the right frequency content ,but no matter how many values i tried , i always liked the sound that came out with half the values Philips chose for this i/v converter attached to TDA1543 in cd610 mk2 setup.

I'd go with lower noise transistors, but i was actually lucky to find those 2sa1048 around(from an old Toshiba cd player actually).
The C4 capacitor is essential for the slew rate and high contents.I tried first 330pf in both configurations , then i settled on 130pf for a little bit more highs as I'm a bit deaf for my 40's.220pF would probably be the best value here.

Although some measurements might help , I'm absolutely sure that the right choice of the components values would actually be a matter of personal preference with such a setup.

Now i can swear for this I/V converter.
Attached Images
File Type: png IValpha&omega.png (71.1 KB, 16 views)
File Type: png IValpha&omega2.png (68.0 KB, 9 views)
File Type: png IValpha&omega3.png (81.5 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5472.jpg (1.01 MB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5485.jpg (1,004.9 KB, 11 views)
File Type: png IValpha&omega4.png (71.2 KB, 10 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2019, 01:01 PM   #55
dreamth is offline dreamth  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
I needed to listen again to the original sound give by the lm833 alone so i built a parallel circuit outside the cage that i could switch to .I also modified both circuits to the preferred value of passive components , finding that 100 ohms-1.5nF//1kohm is the most pleasing combination for me. I simply can't make my mind which circuit sounds better...the simple lm833/njm 2114 based op-amp or my ultra-complicated version. If i get very low noise transistors , the transistor front end version would allow me to choose among a variety of op-amps that wouldn't be suitable before . Comparing lm833 with njm2114 i found lm833 sounding a bit louder.In all honesty i can't find my circuit being superior to the original one, nor inferior, but it opened my mind on how i/v circuits work .
The tape-head device is still doing its job.
I tried some LC filter before the I/V stage as others suggested but i only get to raise the noise floor doing it .I can indeed make the sound a bit smoother by adding a clc filter before the op-amp, with a noise penalty.I will try more filtering options, but what i got for now it's good enough.
Attached Images
File Type: png curtovol11.png (66.6 KB, 19 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5492.jpg (1,019.1 KB, 23 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 6th February 2019, 09:13 PM   #56
dreamth is offline dreamth  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Actually i could make my mind listening to both of them today and it was as expected.The transistor front end is a little bit noisier on high notes , but you can hardly hear the difference, while the lm833 alone (half of a dual op-amp on the same load) is a bit slower or mellow sounding on percussive notes.I asked a friend to listen the same toy and he came up to the same conclusion in just 15 minutes.To be honest they both sound well to me.It's just that this arrangement can be used with lower impedance loads and in higher number of paralleled devices for lower noise.
  Reply With Quote
Old 19th February 2019, 01:26 AM   #57
dreamth is offline dreamth  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
As i found a Sony CDP750 for free, i spent one night to prepare it for the i/v beast but first i wanted to use the same i/v stage configuration of Sony cdp 227 es as i listened to that player once and , although the chipset configuration is quite different, i could remember the sound i heard listening to a 227 es by simply using the same r-c values series with a 120ohm resistor on a dual njm2114...less bass , more mid-highs...but i Like the Bass! so I simply made the capacitor value a bit lower et voila, the base is back, just lost a bit of resolution in the highs department, where tda1541 was shining.Then i reintroduced the right capacitor value and ran the whole thing through my box effect that cuts the highs a bit so now it's more realistic.

At least now i know where the most of sound really comes from with the Sony's, that is why i still prefer the Denons
Now it's prepared for the big leap: my new transistor front end with double op-amp i/v stage.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_5523.jpg (740.6 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5509.jpg (982.7 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5514.jpg (978.3 KB, 9 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5515.jpg (947.9 KB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5516.jpg (1,018.1 KB, 6 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5517.jpg (1,010.1 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5519.jpg (1.05 MB, 6 views)
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Best way to mod cheap cd-players-enhancing the noiseHide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FS: Cheap Collection Of Marantz CD Players? dantwomey Digital Source 0 20th March 2007 01:24 PM
Super Cheap DVD players Lars Clausen Chip Amps 295 6th February 2005 10:44 PM
Cheap DVD players with Wolfson DACs? Rotellian Digital Source 4 29th October 2004 09:23 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 02:00 AM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Resources saved on this page: MySQL 15.00%
vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©1999-2019 diyAudio
Wiki