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Old 17th September 2020, 05:22 PM   #891
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I am using the TI series of LVDS drivers, because it has SOIC-8 and SOT-23 footprints with different pinouts. I am using both footprints to avoid using vias to route traces to the back side of the board.

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https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn65lvds1.pdf

And the answer to the question of what is the rise or fall time is, according to Table 7.7, a maximum of 0.7ns.

I think the Carlisleit connector is okay to use. It is not a special order item, unlike those from Samtec and Molex, and is in stock for sale at Digi-Key for around $5.

I read that when two oscillators are placing close together, they may affect each other. So, it is a good idea to have some separation between the two. I am also wondering, instead of building a mezzaine, looking architecture and high-tech, the entire clock system may actually perform better by having two separate clock pcbs, each having an oscillator on top, and a power supply regulator underneath. They can connect to the DAC side of the board through existing u.fl connectors.

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Old 17th September 2020, 05:35 PM   #892
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I've made the refunds for the overpayments.

I've received some final payments - thank you.

Will publish an updated spreadsheet later.
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Old 17th September 2020, 06:04 PM   #893
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And the answer to the question of what is the rise or fall time is, according to Table 7.7, a maximum of 0.7ns.
correction: It should be typical 0.7ns and a maximum of 1ns.
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Old 17th September 2020, 06:35 PM   #894
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And the answer to the question of what is the rise or fall time is, according to Table 7.7, a maximum of 0.7ns.
Assuming a speed of propagation of 200 000 000 m/s, the signal can travel 14 cm in 0.7 ns, so it can go back and forth four times over a distance of 1.75 cm.

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I think the Carlisleit connector is okay to use. It is not a special order item, unlike those from Samtec and Molex, and is in stock for sale at Digi-Key for around $5.
I agree with you if the contacts are shorter than 1.75 cm or if it has the correct impedance or both.

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I read that when two oscillators are placing close together, they may affect each other. So, it is a good idea to have some separation between the two. I am also wondering, instead of building a mezzaine, looking architecture and high-tech, the entire clock system may actually perform better by having two separate clock pcbs, each having an oscillator on top, and a power supply regulator underneath. They can connect to the DAC side of the board through existing u.fl connectors.
I have seen serious problems due to unintended coupling between oscillators at work, but always with LC oscillators working at very close frequencies that were placed within a few millimetres from each other. I would not expect any trouble with crystal oscillators with a frequency difference of a few percent, like you use.

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Old 17th September 2020, 06:44 PM   #895
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Ciao,
I知 wondering if I知 underestimating the effect of having the BBB inside the same chassis as the dac. I知 interested in your thoughts and projects because I was thinking about just doing a box-in-a-box for the bbb and then isolate/reclock. Do you think there should be audible benefits in a two-chassis implementation? Is it worth the extra care one must give to the clock/signal across more than a couple of centimeters?
I知 an IT guy, not an electronic engineer so be gentle, I知 just asking ��

Cheers,
Mirko
I find it difficult to say anything useful about that, but maybe Ray can, as he has experience with putting a BBB close to a DAC.
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Old 17th September 2020, 06:49 PM   #896
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I’m wondering if I’m underestimating the effect of having the BBB inside the same chassis as the dac.
My Valve DAC, which sounds fantastic (and I think is why people are interested in building their own versions) has the BBB and reclocker in the same chassis as the DAC board so I wouldn't be overly concerned about it. Could it be improved by separating the BBB? - maybe, but it is unlikely to be more than a small difference, if it's discernable. Perhaps I'll find out with a second build, when it'll be handy to have the original build available as a baseline.

In the picture, the BBB/reclocker are under the main board in the vicinity of the yellow caps/large brown resistors.

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Old 18th September 2020, 03:44 PM   #897
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Thanks Marcel, Ray, agent for your kind replies.
@Ray: your realizations are amazing and incredibly your dac interior looks even better. I wish I'll reach a similar result. I came across the Valve DAC after reading a lot on the DSC2 and Pavel's work. Originally I was more keen on the DSC2 and then found this tube implementation... love at first sight

If I may ask: how you other diyers put the pieces together? I would try PPY reclocker but could not find an open GB so I found others went with Ian's fifo/clock and others with Cronus/Hermes. Any advice on this?

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Old 18th September 2020, 04:24 PM   #898
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PPY posted gerber.

https://puredsd.ru/BBBreclk.zip

You can upload this to

PCB Prototype & PCB Fabrication Manufacturer - JLCPCB

and have it made inexpensively.
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Old 18th September 2020, 04:31 PM   #899
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In the picture, the BBB/reclocker are under the main board in the vicinity of the yellow caps/large brown resistors.
So that's basically the same digital at the bottom, analogue and mixed-signal at the top strategy that I used for the FPGA board and other digital circuitry of the original valve DAC. It also worked well for me
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Old 18th September 2020, 05:47 PM   #900
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PPY posted gerber.

https://puredsd.ru/BBBreclk.zip

You can upload this to

PCB Prototype & PCB Fabrication Manufacturer - JLCPCB

and have it made inexpensively.
I didn稚 know it was so easy nowadays, thanks!
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