IMO, most of the things that are usually wrong can't be corrected with equalizers- speaker placement, room reverberation time, liveness or deadness of the room, standing waves and the temperature of your beer. Because it can't fix these things you spend all your time messing with it, leading to a low WAF on top of everything else.
When you buy a painting you accept what the artist has done. Only in this modern individualistic age would someone want to add a bit more blue to Turner. Its the same with music. The performers and their producers have produced something, which may include EQ. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, leave it. If you bought a fancy meal in a restaurant would you insist on covering it with tomato ketchup? Maybe you would.
A little EQ might make up for room and speaker problems, but most people with equalisers belong to the 'boom and tizz' brigade who like impressive sounds rather than accurate sounds.
A little EQ might make up for room and speaker problems, but most people with equalisers belong to the 'boom and tizz' brigade who like impressive sounds rather than accurate sounds.
You truely do not understand soundwaves/room effects and audio science if you really believe what you posted. Post your ACCURATE in room response to back up that back handed opinion and we will compare who has the more accurate room!!
Art/food HAS NOTHING to do with audio accuracy! since neither of those are effected by the the room they are presented in
Lets see....
1. The recording is engineered in a well controlled room with EQing. With the idea that its an accurately created recording.
2. Some audiophiles believe their non-treated crap rooms will play back that recording accurately without room correction Remember audio is only as good as the room design/placement provides.
3. All ears are different, everyone can have a different requirement, Equal loudness curve isnt set in stone therefore everyone should have 100% control of their own curves. Without it systems are inferior!!!
Yeah, sometimes its better not to know the truth about audio accuracy Lucky the few who still think EQing is a bad thing do not represent the audio world whatsoever and the rest of us never have to share space in the real world with someone like that, since it would never end well
Those without room control have no accuracy, just foolish subjective imaginations corrupted by years of misinformation. Analog lovers need not apply to understanding why digital/EQing is actually important. Through attrition their misguided opinion will disappear (making me a happy guy in 30 years when I do not have to read such BS anymore).
Art/food HAS NOTHING to do with audio accuracy! since neither of those are effected by the the room they are presented in
Lets see....
1. The recording is engineered in a well controlled room with EQing. With the idea that its an accurately created recording.
2. Some audiophiles believe their non-treated crap rooms will play back that recording accurately without room correction
Remember audio is only as good as the room design/placement provides.3. All ears are different, everyone can have a different requirement, Equal loudness curve isnt set in stone therefore everyone should have 100% control of their own curves. Without it systems are inferior!!!
Yeah, sometimes its better not to know the truth about audio accuracy
Lucky the few who still think EQing is a bad thing do not represent the audio world whatsoever and the rest of us never have to share space in the real world with someone like that, since it would never end well Those without room control have no accuracy, just foolish subjective imaginations corrupted by years of misinformation. Analog lovers need not apply to understanding why digital/EQing is actually important. Through attrition their misguided opinion will disappear (making me a happy guy in 30 years when I do not have to read such BS anymore).
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If that is a poke aimed at me mate you can shove it!
It was a genuine question with a genuine answer. If you think your system is better for adding eq thats fine, its your ears you are listening with.
There is a world of difference between studio EQ and post production living room EQ. I'll keep my opinion to myself!
Do I sense a little touch of hostility? Was it something I said? Did I mention analogue vs. digital? Methinks I have accidentally provoked a digital fanboy.
You may enjoy living in a world where everything can be (digitally) adjusted to suit your tastes. I prefer to enjoy the world as it is. Maybe its an age thing.
You may enjoy living in a world where everything can be (digitally) adjusted to suit your tastes. I prefer to enjoy the world as it is. Maybe its an age thing.
The ones that hate it are pendantic types that have too much uncontrolled imagination and a warp idea about audio. They are a small, small, small minority.
You can either choose to ignore their illogical state of mind and choose to accept audio science, thousands of published papers on audio reproduction from the likes of Toole, etc
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you can follow the very, very small percentage that really believe in "golden ear" babble about exotic cables, analog/non-EQed, Everything else sucks but vinyl types. That hover on only this type of board because its hard to find like individuals with only 1000 of them exist in the world
Im not interested in opinions from those that do not even have custom rooms either. I see the pictures from some and I see hard walls, hard floors, small apartment like rooms. It looks like they spent more on Audio equipment then they did their own living space (that speaks volumes to me about their logic and madness and they should not be trusted or followed).
Look at the best rooms out there and they have the best designed rooms, best treatments and proper processing in place for the right curves based on individual requirements.
If you really want the best you need to follow what the best have
The reality is that there's a lot of music I like where there's a consistent bunging up of the sound. The musicians are not the recording or mastering engineers, and are usually not the producers. If turning a knob can make a lovely piece of music sound less screechy and allow me to enjoy it more, why not? Should we eliminate volume controls because the musician/engineer/producer ought to decide how loud a song must be played in my living room to ensure that their "artistic vision" is intact?
As with anything else, tone controls can be implemented well or poorly. The idea that they automatically cause veiling or reduced openness or whatever is just not true.
As with anything else, tone controls can be implemented well or poorly. The idea that they automatically cause veiling or reduced openness or whatever is just not true.
Yes, absolutely touchy!!!
Everytime this question comes up, posts about quality of systems. etc. (its funny because I click on links, see rooms and I think, not much money there!!) People who EQ want "Boom, Boom" and so on trying to paint EQing as bad...blah!!
Im not sure about age but maybe 60 year old men should stop posting opinion online if they are too slow to understand what technology does these days, Im 42 and still taking all new technology they can throw at me. (yes touchy again on the age thing, none of us are young) The one guy posted it changes phase
A product DEQX would disagree with him!!!Audio science has proven over and over why EQing can be a great requirement. Do you have any science behind how a bad room can be a good thing?? Or how everyone has the same ELC??
ALL systems have EQing no matter what someone's opinion says. ALL Speaker designs are EQed to have a certain response either through passive XOs or active XOs. Those saying they have no EQ involved with their setup are just fooling themselves. I prefer 100% active designs so I have 100% control over my system.
Now 100% its fine for you to choose what you want but when someone else is trying to learn something is it not better to explain the science behind it instead of posting anecdotal "I Love my analog, everything else must suck" type posts??
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I can't argue with that. I have a few recordings where the final mix may have been done by someone with HF hearing loss. I have nothing against tone controls, although my current system lacks them.SY said:
Maybe its my age, but to me equalisers mean cheap 1970's mid-fi with tiny awful speakers or boy racers with 1kW amps and blue LEDs all over their vehicles listening to drum'n'bass at road junctions.
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