Sure - very easily, as a £10k DAC is audibly no better than a £1k DAC. I call those kind of "improvements" Tinker Belle Improvements - they only work if you believe hard enough.
Nowadays you don't even need a £1k DAC to catch the performance of a £10k DAC, if we talk about only the DAC function.
BTW if someone thinks they need a DAC for £10k, then only their wallet will limit what they believe they need.
Indeed. I was being extremely conservative. I was originally about to write "£100 DAC".
There was an interesting podcast on Darko Audio's show with one of the engineers from Innuos explaining why 1's & 0's aren't all the same, and how cables can affect the signal (especially optical)
My American black walnut wood is now machined for the fusions to go in their very own amp enclosure...
My American black walnut wood is now machined for the fusions to go in their very own amp enclosure...
Ah yes, Darko the misinformation merchant. Just to be clear, 1s are always 1s, and 0s are always 0s, and there is only one kind of each. Poor cables cause dropouts and trasmission jitter - dropouts are clearly audible as such, they don't cause subtle differences in sound quality, and modern equipment uses buffers and reclockers making jitter a non-issue.
If someone tells me "there is no audible difference between stand allone DAC´s" he disqualifies for any further HIFI discussion.
It is like "there is no sound differrence between loudspeakers with identical frequency response".
If I read about all the problems with these hypex plate amps, I start to question why I should buy such an expensive product. They do not work as advertised, quality control does not work /exist, the manual is crap, the service has no answers to logical questions /problems. The company publicates, it sells to private customers only because of pure kindness, even as they are second class/ unwanted.
Seems I´m better of with some self combined Chinese parts 1/5 the price. The comunity of world wide users is the best service department available, reachable 24/7.
Just my private thought´s...
It is like "there is no sound differrence between loudspeakers with identical frequency response".
If I read about all the problems with these hypex plate amps, I start to question why I should buy such an expensive product. They do not work as advertised, quality control does not work /exist, the manual is crap, the service has no answers to logical questions /problems. The company publicates, it sells to private customers only because of pure kindness, even as they are second class/ unwanted.
Seems I´m better of with some self combined Chinese parts 1/5 the price. The comunity of world wide users is the best service department available, reachable 24/7.
Just my private thought´s...
This is just a parameter to take into account when generating the coefficients, I am sure John would have no problem handling this in REW with a custom filter target...
Adding to that, most online and spreadsheet biquad calculators let you set the sampling rate, so not a problem at all.
Of course, there is a difference, otherwise how would they be able to sell more expensive products. But a good-sounding (read audible transparent) DAC can be produced cheaply these days.
I do not think it is a news that the difference between DACs over speakers (or even amplifiers) is so small that it is almost insignificant, especially when you consider that a speaker is needed anyway, which in addition obscures the minimal non-linearities or distortions come from a decently built DAC, if you think you could hear it at all.
Otherwise, if you think that Hypex products are not good enough, then feel free to buy Chinese at a fraction of the price, as you mentioned, what's the problem?
Just my thoughts.
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If you have not heard of the evidence then it cant be the conclusion.
If you have never heard differences and improvements between cheap dacs and expensive dacs, it does not mean that it is not better.
If you mean by evidence is data churned by measurements equipmen only and dismissing the objective and subjective listening test, then perhaps the conclusion is only halfway.
Peace 😁
Ever heard of Russell's Teapot?
Why would I dismiss proper, controlled, double-blind ABX listening tests? Do you have results of any to share with us?
Its hard to debate about this on the web forum. However logically if there’s really NOTHING to differentiate $100 and $2000 product, why would anyone invest/risk their money, effort and time to build those stuff?
Its easy to dismissed any opinion on the forum, and even more convenient to ask for the “ABX” etc proof as a blanket defensive statement. I would not further this discussion other than to say if you have never experience HUGE differences between DACs then you’re missing out to have a great musical experience.
It's merely jewellery. There is value in that, like all exclusive/designer wares. Just don't get caught in the trap of thinking you could hear the difference between a competent $100 DAC and a $10K one in any form of meaningful test. Our ears are not very good at some things and our brain is superb at filling in the missing information (from all our senses).
Why? I think it is pretty easy to exchange rational arguments and evidence.
Ever heard of "luxury market" and "marketing"?
It should also be easy to present proof instead of subjective opinions. If you have never done a proper, controlled, level-matched double-blind ABX test, then you’re missing out on a great (and eye-opening) life experience (and electing to go for faith and belief rather than science).
There is nothing wrong with personal, subjective preferences and beliefs - just don't make unsubstantiated claims based on them.
I think finally I´m convinced:
There is no audible difference between a cheap and expensive DAC. OK. Just as there is none between an expensive N-core or what ever Hypex amp (just the price and hype are different) and some 15 Euro China D-amp. Hypex is just more luxury...
Now I got it. Always wondered how they could improve on the only perfect, final amp by developing an more perfect, even more final amp. I bet they will market a new improved core-amp next year, which they say is even better than the last.
That´s what some experts have been saying for years: amp´s measure the same, so they sound the same. What you can not measure, but believe is there is pure imagination and clever marketing.
Some people just love to spent more money and Hypex is so kind to take it.
So I can keep my cheap ICE amps and don´t miss anything by not having any Hypex at home.
There is no audible difference between a cheap and expensive DAC. OK. Just as there is none between an expensive N-core or what ever Hypex amp (just the price and hype are different) and some 15 Euro China D-amp. Hypex is just more luxury...
Now I got it. Always wondered how they could improve on the only perfect, final amp by developing an more perfect, even more final amp. I bet they will market a new improved core-amp next year, which they say is even better than the last.
That´s what some experts have been saying for years: amp´s measure the same, so they sound the same. What you can not measure, but believe is there is pure imagination and clever marketing.
Some people just love to spent more money and Hypex is so kind to take it.
So I can keep my cheap ICE amps and don´t miss anything by not having any Hypex at home.