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Old 21st November 2020, 10:02 PM   #21
Perry Babin is offline Perry Babin  United States
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You can thank the gutless manufacturers for that.

Did you look up the iraudamp files. The reference designs are often just dropped into an amp. It saves the manufacturers the cost of R&D and testing.
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Old 21st November 2020, 10:29 PM   #22
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The Vaa and Vss can run off resistors to the rails.
Or they can be run off regulators or zeners.
However there are limits on the voltage as 2092 has internal zeners too.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 01:18 AM   #23
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This amp uses +/-5v regulators, they appear to be working fine. But for some reason Vaa is being dragged down at pin 1 of the chip, I’m gonna be really annoyed if they were both bad from the supply house. I’m using the AUIRS2092STR from Mouser to replace the factory unit which was an IRS2092S.

Perry: looked at those design sheets, this appears to be closest to the #9 one with the totem pole drivers. Other than that the only other differences I can see are the regulated Vaa/Vss this board has. The #9 sheet simply uses resistors off the rail for that purpose.
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Old 22nd November 2020, 01:55 AM   #24
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On my amp its a zener and a 10uf cap on the Vaa rail.
If yours has a cap maybe its shorted ?
Other that that then maybe another bad 2092 ?
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Old 22nd November 2020, 02:00 AM   #25
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Removed the IC yet again, pin 1 voltage on the board returned to 5v. It appears I got 2 bad chips from Mouser, imagine that. I’ll send them mail on Monday, hopefully they will send me replacements.
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Old 1st December 2020, 02:12 AM   #26
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Thankfully they volunteered to send me a pair of new chips, they got here today but I won't have a chance to play with it till probably the weekend.
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Old 6th December 2020, 07:50 PM   #27
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Officially stumped.

Soldered in a new chip, same result. VSS reads -5v as it should, but VAA is still dropping down to around .8v for seemingly no reason. Attaching a pic for reference, the leaded resistor is in series between the positive regulator and the VAA pin. The regulator side of it is at 5v, chip side is .8v.

Only thing I can think is maybe the AUIRS2092STR Iím using doesnít like this circuit, which originally had a standard IRS2092S in it. But I canít think of a reason why it would matter, the spec sheets look identical to me.
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Old 6th December 2020, 08:12 PM   #28
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Referred back to the IRAUD5 supplement which had a 10R resistor in that spot, and decided to give that a shot instead of the one that was in there. It worked! I now have output oscillation and there’s no DC at the speaker terminals, so I think I’m good to do final assembly. No idea why the resistor I removed from that spot read so high, maybe the old chip shorted and burned it out.
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Officially stumped.

Soldered in a new chip, same result. VSS reads -5v as it should, but VAA is still dropping down to around .8v for seemingly no reason. Attaching a pic for reference, the leaded resistor is in series between the positive regulator and the VAA pin. The regulator side of it is at 5v, chip side is .8v.

Only thing I can think is maybe the AUIRS2092STR Iím using doesnít like this circuit, which originally had a standard IRS2092S in it. But I canít think of a reason why it would matter, the spec sheets look identical to me.
If its a resistor between regulator and Vaa its very high value at 2k2.
No wonder it didnt work.
Not even sure why it needs a resistor.
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Old 7th December 2020, 12:49 AM   #30
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Not sure why it needs to be there either. Itís possible it had drifted high when the original chip failed and I just wasnít paying attention to the value when I replaced it, I sometimes overlook stuff like that. I helped in this case to have the additional references though, I measured the resistance between VSS and the neg regulator and thereís 10R there as well. Must be the way itís supposed to be I guess.
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