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Old 16th June 2014, 01:05 AM   #651
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Old 16th June 2014, 10:44 AM   #652
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Just be aware, these guys won't ship to a different address even if you try to add a verified address to credit. Not a problem for most, but it was for me. I had my uncle order

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Hi All, this is my first post and wanted to say thanks for the inspiration to undertake this project. I found loads of helpful information and was able to evaluate all of the possible builds before settling on bbftx's version 2.

I made a couple of minor changes based on what I had available. I added a 1/2 inch conduit clamp to hold the filter discharge line. I also incorporated the use of wheel weights from a local tire shop as a counter balance. Other than that I think I used most all of the parts bbftx listed.

Thanks to LuckyTiger for this link Findings Outlet :: Tools :: Ultrasonics :: Sonix IV Ultrasonics, I was able to source the Sonix IV 136h for $450.00.

Again, thanks to bbftx for sharing his knowledge and experience.

Now if someone could tell me how to upload more than on picture at a time I'd be all set
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Old 16th June 2014, 07:31 PM   #653
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Old 17th June 2014, 07:00 AM   #654
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Kuzma mentioned to me; my emphasis added. Any thoughts?

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"You need to fulfil this criteria:
- 40 Khz or more
- size of bath ( for 8 records ( width 240 mm) you need minimal internal dimension 295 x x 135 mm)
- temperature control ( works best if heated up to 40 degrees Celsius)
- power control adjustment- most important- full power is too much ( water with minimal ripples)
- time control"
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Old 17th June 2014, 07:21 AM   #655
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Amazon no longer carries Kodak Photo Flo 200, and bhphotovideo.com is sold out at the moment. On the other hand, freestylephoto.biz was sold out, but now has more of the Kodak product available. I don't know whether all this is a fluke, or a sign that Photo Flo will become increasingly difficult to obtain in the wake of the Kodak bankruptcy. If a shortage does develop, freestylephoto.biz offers a photo flo clone at a slightly lower price called LegacyPro 200 Wetting Agent. This appears to be a suitable substitute, but I have not tried it.

I'm currently exploring alternatives to the Alconox detergents I've been testing to date (I'll post more on these later --- they have strengths and weaknesses). Of course one of the options is the Photo flo + IPA formula that most folks on this thread are using. The MSDS for Photo Flo 200 reveals that its main ingredients are the surfactant, Triton X-114 (CAS 9036-19-5), at 5-10% and propylene glycol (used for de-icing airplanes among other things) at 25-30%. I'm not sure what the propylene glycol's intended function is in the photography application (possibly a stabilizer), but I think the Triton X-114 is the ingredient we're most interested in. If anyone has information to the contrary, please let me know.

You will mostly find positive reports around the web from people who use Photo Flo for record cleaning, but there are some who claim it should never be used because it leaves residues that either compromise sound or even damage vinyl over time. While it's true that these ingredients have very slow evaporation rates, and this implies some form of residual film, I'm not convinced that anyone has demonstrated any negative effects in practice, especially at the very low concentrations proposed in this thread. On the other hand, getting Triton X-114 without the propylene glycol (described as a sticky liquid at room temp.) would seem to be a good thing. A product called Arista Flo Wetting Agent, also available at freestylephoto.biz in 4oz and 16oz bottles, provides exactly this. The Arista Flo MSDS only lists Triton X-114 at 20-30% concentration, and it contains no propylene glycol. I think this product should be of interest to followers of this thread who use the no-rinse approach to ultrasonic cleaning.

In fact, I was on the verge of ordering the Arista Flo product, but then was tempted to try the Library of Congress recipe based on Tergitol 15-S-7. This surfactant is not readily available unless you're associated with a lab or a suitable business. If I'm unable to obtain it, I'll order some Arista Flo instead.

I'm trying to nail down my recipe. I can't get ISA easily (dry country), and I'd like to do a no-rinse method.

Can I use distilled water and the Arista-Flow-Wetting-Agent?

Do have any suggestions? I'll check your other posts, and thanks for the useful info.
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Kuzma mentioned to me; my emphasis added. Any thoughts?
power control adjustment- most important- full power is too much ( water with minimal ripples)
Full power in what unit? It's kind of an indeterminate comment unless you're talking about a very specific cleaner that might be overpowered, and that has adjustable power.

At higher frequency, say 60khz instead of 40khz, ripples are less pronounced at the surface of the liquid at the same overall power level. The power in a higher frequency unit is more evenly dispersed, with fewer hot spots where too much power is concentrated. This is one of the primary reasons higher frequency units, 60khz or even 80khz, should be preferred over 40khz units, all else being equal.

Regardless, the majority of units that people are using don't have adjustable output power.

The comment about putting 8 records in a bath worries me. That's too many records for the typical 6 liter machine that has three 50 or 60 watt transducers in my opinion.
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I'm trying to nail down my recipe. I can't get ISA easily (dry country), and I'd like to do a no-rinse method.

Can I use distilled water and the Arista-Flow-Wetting-Agent?

Do have any suggestions? I'll check your other posts, and thanks for the useful info.
The Arista Flow is similar to Photo Flo. It's not a replacement for isopropyl alcohol. If it's me, I wouldn't use much Arista Flow -- a drop or two at most.
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Doctorcilantro, your local hardware store may have "shellac thinner". AKA alcohol.
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Doctorcilantro, your local hardware store may have "shellac thinner". AKA alcohol.
Maybe, good idea. But, we can't even get vanilla due to it's alcohol content into country in the mail.

I've talked to numerous folks who don't use ISA at all, so I am on the fence about it.

Thanks for the tip on the Arista BB, I'll look into it this Summer.
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