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Old 18th January 2021, 01:47 PM   #331
Mark Johnson is offline Mark Johnson  United States
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These are awesome ! I also enjoyed the company of a super simple (standard 5 component) cap multiplier after the passive filter ...
Excellent! Please tell members here the voltage dropped (the reduction) from input to output of your cap multiplier, so they can decide whether it would be acceptable in their own application.

You might also consider uploading the Gerber files of your design, so that other builders can order PCBs and try it out for themselves.
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Old 18th January 2021, 08:49 PM   #332
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Hi Mark,

Small question...

I can see the benefit of multiple filtering daisychaining several of your excellent filters, connecting them in series.

Now, would it also make sense to plug them in parallel (say 2 of them),to increase current rate from say 3A to 6A?
Or is there a downside joining their outputs together - I guess not given the output filtering caps, but then...

I know you have something much more dedicated in progress for extra current, I was just wondering if "meanwhile" this could be worth a try.

Thanks again

Claude - trying to make good use of his 10 filters:-)
In the interest of science I had to try two filters in parallel. I also wanted to measure with and without load. The filter clearly performs much better with light load.

The power supply is the cheap brick that is delivered together with the Aiyima TPA3251.

First picture is one filter without load. Second one is two filters in parallel approx 1 A load and finally one filter and 1 A load.

SDS00002_1 filter no load 10us.png SDS00001_2 filter 1 A load 10us_b.png SDS00002_1 filter 1 A load 10us.png 2 filters.jpg
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Old 18th January 2021, 09:47 PM   #333
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You'll need to make sure the load current drawn from the SMPS is the same in all cases -- so the SMPS output noise is the same in all cases.

When you draw zero current from the filter (first picture) you need to draw 1A from the SMPS, by connecting your load resistor at the SMPS output, before the filter.
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Old 19th January 2021, 04:17 AM   #334
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Thanks for your interest in science Strongbow60 :-)
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Old 19th January 2021, 03:32 PM   #335
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Mark, you are absolutely right about the same conditions should apply, but my interest is more of a "what if" nature.
I have made new measurements. 1A load at the input of the filters and 50mA load at the output of the filters. Without any load besides the scope the damping is slightly better but not that much.

As far as I see, the filter works better (higher damping) the less load that is applied on it. Worst case scenario for the filter is a class A amplifier, but it might still of some use.

I really can't see that much difference with two filters in parallel so next step is to try it out on my TPA3255EVM.


First picture is one filter and the second picture is of two filters in parallel.


SDS00001_1 filter 50mA load.png SDS00002_2 filters 50mA load.png
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Old 19th January 2021, 09:39 PM   #336
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Default parallel vs serial

how about 2 filters in serial, would that not be more effective?
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Old 19th January 2021, 10:36 PM   #337
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Yep konst, serial daisy chaining is of course fine. Brought a benefit on some occasions, on others 1 filter did already an outstanding job. Doesn't increase the max Ampere limit though, something parallel filters can address... question is how good are they then, that is while waiting for Mark's dedicated 6A solution which is likely to settle it all...

Have fun

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Old 19th January 2021, 11:56 PM   #338
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I've been thinking about how best to test the filter's effectiveness and I think o-scope measurements are only part of the equation since there are different smps switching frequencies and different o-scope setups (bw, probes, risetime, etc..). What really matters is the noise in the audio band. I think the psu+filter coupled to an ADC with a reasonably sized capacitor to block DC and ploting the spectrum with a waterfall graph will show the noise that really matters? I should be able to try this out tomorrow and I'm curious if anyone else has done something similar with the filter?
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Old 20th January 2021, 06:39 AM   #339
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Don't believe it has been already reported... Sounds like something nice to try!

Would though have extented to over 20kHz if you can. Understand the rational behind, but IME some audio gear is sensitive to perturbations with frequencies well over the audioband... that do reflect in something bad to our ears (in the audioband).

Let us know

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Old 20th January 2021, 12:38 PM   #340
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At SMPS frequencies you start getting into Signal Integrity engineering, and need to employ best practices when building test fixtures and connecting measuring equipment.
One way to get a "quick peek" at how terrible your setup might be, is to connect the SMPS, filter, and load resistor, so the SMPS is supplying power to the load. Then display the waveform of GROUND at the filter output. In theory it should be a horizontal flat line with zero millivolts of noise superimposed. In practice it almost never is, unless you've carefully designed your fixtures to have zero inductance ground planes, and used RF cables with SMB or BNC connectors, everywhere.
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