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http://www.accuphase.com/cat/e-250_e.pdf
I read:
How AAVA-II works:
AAVA-II operates by feeding the music signal to a V-I (volt-
age - current) converting amplifi er where it is weighted in 16
steps [1/2, 1/22, ..., 1/215, 1/216].
The 16 current steps are
turned on or off by 16 current switches, and the combina-
tion of switch settings determines the overall volume. The
switching operation is controlled by a CPU according to the
position of the volume control knob. The combined signal
current forms a variable gain circuit that adjusts the volume.
Finally, the combined current is converted back into a music
signal voltage by an I-V (current - voltage) converter.
Are there any experiences from this kind of a level attenuator without any resistors in the signal path?
http://www.accuphase.com/cat/e-250_e.pdf
I read:
How AAVA-II works:
AAVA-II operates by feeding the music signal to a V-I (volt-
age - current) converting amplifi er where it is weighted in 16
steps [1/2, 1/22, ..., 1/215, 1/216].
The 16 current steps are
turned on or off by 16 current switches, and the combina-
tion of switch settings determines the overall volume. The
switching operation is controlled by a CPU according to the
position of the volume control knob. The combined signal
current forms a variable gain circuit that adjusts the volume.
Finally, the combined current is converted back into a music
signal voltage by an I-V (current - voltage) converter.
Are there any experiences from this kind of a level attenuator without any resistors in the signal path?
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This whole complicated circuit (well, more complicated than two resistors anyway) contains no resistors? Does it use switched capacitors instead? Or are we to believe that a whole set of p-n junctions can be matched so accurately that the outcome is more linear than a resistor? Is not a current switch a resistor, of sorts?
This sounds like more straining at gnats and swallowing camels!
This sounds like more straining at gnats and swallowing camels!
A digtally controlled attenuator. There are a couple of chips that do the same. Not sure if this is realized in discrete form or if it is on an IC.
Of course the music signals flows still through resistors, as with any gain control chip or any relay controlled attenuator. I respect Accuphase very much, but I don't see the big advantage of this, compared to other simple, established solutions.
Of course the music signals flows still through resistors, as with any gain control chip or any relay controlled attenuator. I respect Accuphase very much, but I don't see the big advantage of this, compared to other simple, established solutions.
Might this be the patent?
JP 2004104269 SIGNAL SWITCH AND VARIABLE GAIN AMPLIFIER PROVIDED WITH THE SAME
Its in Japanese
JP 2004104269 SIGNAL SWITCH AND VARIABLE GAIN AMPLIFIER PROVIDED WITH THE SAME
Its in Japanese
I've looked at this before and think this type of volume control is really interesting, I would love to make one. If someone gave me a schematic I would design a PCB.
I like it because:
- it's so precise compared to everything else
- lower distortion than PGA2310 etc
- Simple concept
- No click sounds. Pretty much all relay volume controls click when all relays flip (like at step 64/128 etc)
There is some more info here on page 2:
http://www.axissaudio.com/pdfs/C-2400.pdf
Mark Levinson use the same concept too:
http://www.marklevinson.com/image_library/32AB_lo.jpg
bbp built one a while back. He used DG413 analog switches but these days there are better ones like DG611 or ADG1221. He also measured he version and achieved higher specs than the PGA. Here are his threads:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/127997-solid-state-volume-controls.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/soli...igh-precision-digital-control-attenuator.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vend...control-module-ultimate-attenuator-audio.html
I like it because:
- it's so precise compared to everything else
- lower distortion than PGA2310 etc
- Simple concept
- No click sounds. Pretty much all relay volume controls click when all relays flip (like at step 64/128 etc)
There is some more info here on page 2:
http://www.axissaudio.com/pdfs/C-2400.pdf
Mark Levinson use the same concept too:
http://www.marklevinson.com/image_library/32AB_lo.jpg
bbp built one a while back. He used DG413 analog switches but these days there are better ones like DG611 or ADG1221. He also measured he version and achieved higher specs than the PGA. Here are his threads:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/127997-solid-state-volume-controls.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/soli...igh-precision-digital-control-attenuator.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vend...control-module-ultimate-attenuator-audio.html
I was thinking about designing something similiar, but have no time currently. Electric circuit seems not to be a big deal. More interesting is interfacing switches to volume know. I was thinking about absolute one turn encoder and some simple uC, like 8051. Is this a correct idea? Or anyone has more simple way to do it?
You are on the right track. Personally I would use an arduino and a standard encoder since there is a much bigger range available as opposed to absolute encoders.
1024 steps will be fine. No need for 65536. Specially that for 1024 you need less opamps, less switches etc... And encoder will be cheaper. Actually there can be two version. I will have to read more about Arduino platform. It might be good also for different projects.
Do you think this circuit can be use as the base? http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/37569-accuphase-aava-volume-control.html#post1915611
But with some switches instead of JFETS...
Do you think this circuit can be use as the base? http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/solid-state/37569-accuphase-aava-volume-control.html#post1915611
But with some switches instead of JFETS...
What is the difference (only in order to the sound quality) between AAVA and classic R2R switching like that one
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audio stepped attenuator, precision audio volume control, remote control volume attenuator ?
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audio stepped attenuator, precision audio volume control, remote control volume attenuator ?
Thank you for advices.
The advantage of converting the signal into a current, passing it through either an MOS switch to ground or an MOS switch to virtual ground and then converting the current into the virtual ground back into a voltage again is that the on resistance changes of the MOS switches cause practically no distortion. The switches work at a constant VGS, which means that their on resistance doesn't get modulated much by the signal, and any remaining on resistance modulation doesn't affect the current anyway if the current sources are nearly ideal.
Might this be the patent?
JP 2004104269 SIGNAL SWITCH AND VARIABLE GAIN AMPLIFIER PROVIDED WITH THE SAME
Its in Japanese
When you click on the link to the B2 version, you can download it and look at the simplified schematics at page 11. The fact that the patent's text is in Japanese doesn't matter much, as patents are in general unreadable in any language.
What isn't clear to me is how they keep the offset under control. The slightest offset in the voltage to current converters will give ticks or thumps when switching.
Another issue is noise. At least with a conventional negative-feedback voltage-to-current amplifier, the noise of the bias current sources ends up in the output current, so you need current sources with lots of emitter degeneration to get a nice, low noise floor. Then again, a conventional negative-feedback voltage-to-current amplifier would have too much offset anyway, so they probably do something different.
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Yes. I used this in my MDAC attenuator. The theory is the same. A lot of info here: Solid state R2R attenuator using analog switches or multiplying DAC
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