woofer with high Qms/Qes

[MCPete]

Does anyone know of a currently-sold woofer with 0.3 > Qes > 0.2 and Qms about 30 times Qes? I need this type of woofer to test a bass extending network.

I've had some success with Pioneer DVC 8" B20FU20-52D with Qes =0.23 and Qms= 4.05. My calculations show that a higher Qms/ Qes ratio will improve the amount of extension possible.

The size of the woofer at this point isn't of concern to me, but I would like to limit the unit cost to maybe $60. or less because I'm not absolutely certain that I can achieve success with it.

A woofer that fits the bill that I can't locate is Pioneer 6-1/2" woofer C16LU20-51F. This woofer has Qes = 0.23 and Qms = 7.63, so Qms/ Qes = 33.

I don't think that it would be easy to modify a woofer to obtain a higher Qms.

Any help is appreciated,
Pete

 

[Moondog55]

Doesn't adding extra mass increase Qms??

I have added extra mass to lower Fs, at the expense of lower SPL so need to increase the number of woofers

 

[MCPete]

Added mass increases Qes as well as Qms to the same degree. That is, adding mass doesn't change Qms/Qes. Ron E and I think others have posted replies here explaining this.

-Pete

 

[Nihilist]

Added mass increases Qes as well as Qms to the same degree. That is, adding mass doesn't change Qms/Qes. Ron E and I think others have posted replies here explaining this.

-Pete

Can't say I agree with this. I seem to remember reading more than one bench test of this experiment (adding mass and taking measurements) and the Qms is the most affected parameter , IIRC .

The selection is slim with a $60 price limit.

MCM Audio Select 8'' High Excursion Woofer - 120W RMS 4ohm | 55-2421 (552421) | MCM Audio Select


..................................Blake

 

[MCPete]

That MCM55-2421 looks to be very similar if not identical to the Tang Band W8-740P. I bought and tested the Tang Band and was disappointed to find maximum impedance at free air resonance Fs much lower than it should be. That is,

Zmax = (Qms*Re/Qes) + Re.

If you want to see what Ron E had to say about adding mass, look at the thread entitled "altering T/S parameters?" at diyaudio.com.

Thanks,
Pete