It seems like almost all standard PP OPTs from different manufacturer have 16 ohm taps, even though there are hardly any modern speakers that are nominally rated at 16 ohm. Is there any other reason for this?
They do it so older parents like mine can call up their kids and ask for them to come over and hook up the wires for them and set the time on the VCR and stove for them.
because hard core fullrange speaker enthusiasts have 16ohm speakers ?
but maybe 4 - 6 - 8ohm would be more useable in real life
but maybe 4 - 6 - 8ohm would be more useable in real life
Adding extra 16 Ohm winding is not "that" expensive, if you think about relationship between impedance and winding turn. This is true for cheap design.
OPT manufacturer is not amplifier manufacturer and not speaker manufacturer. You want flexibility/usability with your OPT so you want to provide variable taps.
16 Ohm tap doesn't mean that your speaker must be 16 Ohm to be optimally connected. If your amp works best with low impedance, may be you can hook up low impedance speaker to high impedance tap (of high impedance primary), to get the correct impedance ratio.
In case of expensive OPT (silver winding for example), may be you don't want to waste taps. Because flexibility is very costly. Amplifier designer will prefer an exact primary impedance (that will give optimum amplifier performance) at average high end speaker impedance (secondary impedance), i.e. 5 Ohm.
It may arise from interleaving of windings. A push-pull output transformer must necessarily have an even number of sections in its secondary. Two is not enough; eight may be too many. Four sections gives a set of impedances in the ratios 1:4:9:16, depending on how you wire them in series/parallel.
if you have one 4k trafo with 4-8ohm out
could it happen that it will be listed as a 8K trafo, leaving the former 8ohm tap to now be be a 16ohm tap
or maybe the other way round
I know this have been debated to be far from optimal
could it happen that it will be listed as a 8K trafo, leaving the former 8ohm tap to now be be a 16ohm tap
or maybe the other way round
I know this have been debated to be far from optimal
16Ohm winding is made out of two 4Ohm winding in series, and the 8Ohm is a tap in one of them. So it is easy to have 4 and 16Ohm, and a little more difficult to have 8Ohm.
my trafos have 0-6-8-12ohm
or at least supposed to
I wonder how that works ?
but 0-4-6-8 might be nicer
would that work, or be a problem ?
or at least supposed to
I wonder how that works ?
but 0-4-6-8 might be nicer
would that work, or be a problem ?
If the manufacturer is happy to leave some secondary copper unused then any ratio is possible. It does create interleaving problems, though, as a P-P OPT should be balanced.
Are we talking Hi Fi or Guitar?
Because in the Guitar World 16 ohms speakers are very much alive and kicking.
So much so, that some quite popular amps have *only* a 16 ohms tap, go figure.
By the same token, some very popular Amps come *only* with a 2 ohms tap. 😱
I bet tubes are kept alive much more thanks to MI amps than to Hi Fi.
Because in the Guitar World 16 ohms speakers are very much alive and kicking.
So much so, that some quite popular amps have *only* a 16 ohms tap, go figure.
By the same token, some very popular Amps come *only* with a 2 ohms tap. 😱
I bet tubes are kept alive much more thanks to MI amps than to Hi Fi.
The only real problem is insertion loss; if the transformer is well made balance is not an issue if there is an appropriate simmetry in the winding geometry. Actually all economical OPT's with muti-secondaries are made like this. Regardless of sectioning and stratification of each secondary section, at the end you get two terminations and intermediate taps. In this case, typically, there can be one intermediate tap at 4 ohm if the full secondary is 8 or there can be 2 taps at 4 and 8 ohms if the full secondary is 16. In the latter case, using 8 ohm, for example, you can use the 16 ohms termination for loop feedback.
When you use just the intermediate tap the efficiency of the OPT is lower (i.e. higher insertion loss).
Transformers that use all secondary turns are better, for the same geometry and materials, but they trade off the possibility of multi-secondary unless one re-wires the entire bunch of secondaries for the desired impedance. Basically one secondary impedance per time. In this case however, regadless of the number of sections, it is impossible (by definition) to have exact 4 and 8 ohms secondaries. If one of the two is perfect the other is a bit higher or lower than the nominal value depending on the geometry.
useful if you have speakers with bi-amp terminals and you want either section to be +3db from the other. If you find you do not have enough low end, put the HF section on the 8 ohm tap and the LF section on the 16 ohm tap and the end result will be that the LF section will be 3db louder than the HF section.
If anyone is thinking of doing this then this article from VinylSavor might be worth a read
VinylSavor: Speaker impedance and amplifier output taps
Pro 16 ohm speakers are made for parallel connection and load sharing, they are usually very high power to begin with; most famous Guitar 16 ohms ones are low power, as in 15W to 25W, and to achieve a specific sound "signature".
As to transformer taps, original Marshalls were 16 ohms only and much more modern ones, such as 90's on JCM900, hav all 3 taps (4/8/16) but impedance selector uses only 8/16 ohms ones, go figure.
*If* you want 4 ohms, you must open the amp , grab your trusty soldering iron, and hardwire *that* tap to the switch.
And the standard 1960 4x12" cabinet is *supposed* to be used set to 16 ohms.
With such powerful sponsors, no mystery awkward 16 ohms impedance continues alive and kicking.
Just because the amp is modern doesn't mean everybody has to use modern speakers. Many audiophiles still prefer vintage speakers and drivers that are typically 16Ω. If you're an amp maker, don't you want to maximize your customer base?
I have vintage drivers so I am glad the 16Ω tap is still available on modern amps.
I have vintage drivers so I am glad the 16Ω tap is still available on modern amps.
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