Has ayone played around with them yet? I cant find a thing on the net about them. They're being sold at parts express.
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=264-846
They look to be almost a drop in replayment for fe103e and fe108ez horns. With very little modification.
Chris
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=264-846
They look to be almost a drop in replayment for fe103e and fe108ez horns. With very little modification.
Chris
that looks like a fun little driver...
i will be interested to see what people do with these...
striking resemblence to the css full rangers...
i will be interested to see what people do with these...
striking resemblence to the css full rangers...
Yah, the Tang Bands have a little more spl, but seem a little ruffer at the top end than the CSS fr125's do. A bonus is the TB's are $35 cheaper than the fr125's. I have ordered the TB's today and will recieve them sometime tomarrow.
Waiting for my pair to arrive as well.
I am anxious to see what people come up with. Mine will be going into a simple bass reflex bookshelf first. Would have had the enclosures built this weekend but I fell ill.
I am anxious to see what people come up with. Mine will be going into a simple bass reflex bookshelf first. Would have had the enclosures built this weekend but I fell ill.
Mine are going into a 9.25 x 6.25 x 7.25 dp 3/4" MDF 2.5 liter cabinet. Going virtually against the wall and the bass alignment looks better for this than FR-125.
I have an e-mail to Allen at T-B about vented vs. sealed. They look like they are to be vented but so close to the wall - what's the difference?
Also with the 8dB peak at 15-20kHz they apepar to be in break-up mode. Anyhow much better Qms than Fostex so I hope they won't have that bright edge Fostex are known for.
I ran my finger around the bamboo driver paper and I must say it is the most DEAD sound I have ever heard - a very good sign I think. I like the small Neo motor which allows better air flow behind the driver. Also cast frame is very nice.
Hopefully they will be forgiving enough and match well with "T" amp - my next project when time allows.
I have an e-mail to Allen at T-B about vented vs. sealed. They look like they are to be vented but so close to the wall - what's the difference?
Also with the 8dB peak at 15-20kHz they apepar to be in break-up mode. Anyhow much better Qms than Fostex so I hope they won't have that bright edge Fostex are known for.
I ran my finger around the bamboo driver paper and I must say it is the most DEAD sound I have ever heard - a very good sign I think. I like the small Neo motor which allows better air flow behind the driver. Also cast frame is very nice.
Hopefully they will be forgiving enough and match well with "T" amp - my next project when time allows.
chuck55
"Also with the 8dB peak at 15-20kHz they apepar to be in break-up mode. Anyhow much better Qms than Fostex so I hope they won't have that bright edge Fostex are known for."
Well they are nowhere near as bright as my FE206e's. I listen to mine between on axis to 10 deg. toe in. I haven't listen to any other of Foxtex driver to compair.
All a can say is that the W4-1320 is smooth, and only once and a whlile have a bright egde. Could be that bump in that range.
The 1320sb's are out of the OB's and in old shop cab that were designed for the W4-616. I think 4L 1.5" x 5" port? Not perfect, but 90% of the time you can't pick the drivers position out of the sound field.
Mine will be going into Modded Bouchhorn MKII
Chris
"Also with the 8dB peak at 15-20kHz they apepar to be in break-up mode. Anyhow much better Qms than Fostex so I hope they won't have that bright edge Fostex are known for."
Well they are nowhere near as bright as my FE206e's. I listen to mine between on axis to 10 deg. toe in. I haven't listen to any other of Foxtex driver to compair.
All a can say is that the W4-1320 is smooth, and only once and a whlile have a bright egde. Could be that bump in that range.
The 1320sb's are out of the OB's and in old shop cab that were designed for the W4-616. I think 4L 1.5" x 5" port? Not perfect, but 90% of the time you can't pick the drivers position out of the sound field.
Mine will be going into Modded Bouchhorn MKII
Chris
Corloc,
Thanks for the info. The T-B has a 4dB "bump" at 5.5kHz but pretty narrow and still not as bad as most other F-R drivers I've seen.
You like them better than the paper TB W4-616?
Thanks for the info. The T-B has a 4dB "bump" at 5.5kHz but pretty narrow and still not as bad as most other F-R drivers I've seen.
You like them better than the paper TB W4-616?
You like them better than the paper TB W4-616?
The 616 only goes to about 14k with an fs of 65 hz. It's a little hard to compair, because the 1320's are not in optimized cabs yet. The 616 has no top and until I have cabs, the 1320's have no bottom.
The 616 only goes to about 14k with an fs of 65 hz. It's a little hard to compair, because the 1320's are not in optimized cabs yet. The 616 has no top and until I have cabs, the 1320's have no bottom.
OK just got mine in the mail yesterday.
Got someone thats going to test them for me so when he is done I will link the Praxis and Klippel reports.
Frequency response and off-axis response
Actual Thiele Small parameters
non-linear distortion analysis
waterfall and/or energy storage analysis
BL/KMS curves
Got someone thats going to test them for me so when he is done I will link the Praxis and Klippel reports.
Frequency response and off-axis response
Actual Thiele Small parameters
non-linear distortion analysis
waterfall and/or energy storage analysis
BL/KMS curves
Fs 81.839996, Qms 2.121518, Qes 0.674866, Qts 0.511997
Vas = 4.11 liters
Fs 75.559998, Qms 2.049201, Qes 0.601340, Qts 0.464911
Vas = 4.8 liters
Here are the T/S parameters after 36 hours at 20Hz, of the two that I ordered. For anybody who is interested.
Joe
Vas = 4.11 liters
Fs 75.559998, Qms 2.049201, Qes 0.601340, Qts 0.464911
Vas = 4.8 liters
Here are the T/S parameters after 36 hours at 20Hz, of the two that I ordered. For anybody who is interested.
Joe
my personal suggustion
I think it is better to cut off the lower frequcy singal under 80HZ for the 3 inches or 4 inches full range speaker, and the sound will turn more pure and clear.
I think it is better to cut off the lower frequcy singal under 80HZ for the 3 inches or 4 inches full range speaker, and the sound will turn more pure and clear.
T-B recommends:
"intended for thin or flat speaker box design"
Here is a 3.5 liter cabinet design from Aan at T-B:
c:\...\w4-1320sb vented box design.pdf
Unfortunately, I can't seem to copy the .pdf file Alan e-mailed me. Here is the best I can do:
File: w4-1320sb.bb6
w4-1320sb vented box design By Eagle Chang, TB-speaker
Ningbo China
+86-574-86553648
+86-574-86551617
Box Properties
--Description--
Name:
Type: Vented Box
Shape: Prism, square
--Box Parameters--
Vb = 3.558 liters
V(total) = 4 liters
Fb = 80 Hz
QL = 7
F3 = 97 Hz
Fill = normal
--Vents--
No. of Vents = 1
Vent shape = round
Vent ends = one flush
Dv = 38 mm
Lv = 111.9 mm
Driver Properties
--Description--
Name:
Type: Standard one-way driver
--Configuration--
No. of Drivers = 1
--Mechanical Parameters--
Fs = 75 Hz
Qms = 1.5
Vas = 5.985 liters
Cms = 1.297 mm/N
Mms = 3.472 g
Rms = 1.091 kg/s
Xmax = 3 mm
Xmech = 4.5 mm
P-Dia = 85.19 mm
Sd = 57 sq.cm
P-Vd = 0.0171 liters
--Electrical Parameters--
Qes = 0.484
Re = 6.8 ohms
Le = 0.01 mH
Z = 8 ohms
BL = 4.794 Tm
Pe = 20 watts
--Electromech. Parameters--
Qts = 0.366
no = 0.503 %
1-W SPL = 89.16 dB
2.83-V SPL = 89.87 dB
Normalized Amplitude Response (dB-SPL/Hz) BassBox 6 Pro
dB
6
0
-6
-12
-18
-24
-30
-36
5 Hz 10 50 100 500 1 K 5 K 10 K 20 K
Custom Amplitude Response (dB-SPL/Hz at 1 m) with 20 watts BassBox 6 Pro
dB
109
103
97
91
85
79
73
67
5 Hz 10 50 100 500 1 K 5 K 10 K 20 K
Maximum Acoustic Power (dB-SPL/Hz at 1 m) BassBox 6 Pro
dB
108
102
96
90
84
78
72
66
5 Hz 10 50 100 500 1 K 5 K 10 K 20 K
"intended for thin or flat speaker box design"
Here is a 3.5 liter cabinet design from Aan at T-B:
c:\...\w4-1320sb vented box design.pdf
Unfortunately, I can't seem to copy the .pdf file Alan e-mailed me. Here is the best I can do:
File: w4-1320sb.bb6
w4-1320sb vented box design By Eagle Chang, TB-speaker
Ningbo China
+86-574-86553648
+86-574-86551617
Box Properties
--Description--
Name:
Type: Vented Box
Shape: Prism, square
--Box Parameters--
Vb = 3.558 liters
V(total) = 4 liters
Fb = 80 Hz
QL = 7
F3 = 97 Hz
Fill = normal
--Vents--
No. of Vents = 1
Vent shape = round
Vent ends = one flush
Dv = 38 mm
Lv = 111.9 mm
Driver Properties
--Description--
Name:
Type: Standard one-way driver
--Configuration--
No. of Drivers = 1
--Mechanical Parameters--
Fs = 75 Hz
Qms = 1.5
Vas = 5.985 liters
Cms = 1.297 mm/N
Mms = 3.472 g
Rms = 1.091 kg/s
Xmax = 3 mm
Xmech = 4.5 mm
P-Dia = 85.19 mm
Sd = 57 sq.cm
P-Vd = 0.0171 liters
--Electrical Parameters--
Qes = 0.484
Re = 6.8 ohms
Le = 0.01 mH
Z = 8 ohms
BL = 4.794 Tm
Pe = 20 watts
--Electromech. Parameters--
Qts = 0.366
no = 0.503 %
1-W SPL = 89.16 dB
2.83-V SPL = 89.87 dB
Normalized Amplitude Response (dB-SPL/Hz) BassBox 6 Pro
dB
6
0
-6
-12
-18
-24
-30
-36
5 Hz 10 50 100 500 1 K 5 K 10 K 20 K
Custom Amplitude Response (dB-SPL/Hz at 1 m) with 20 watts BassBox 6 Pro
dB
109
103
97
91
85
79
73
67
5 Hz 10 50 100 500 1 K 5 K 10 K 20 K
Maximum Acoustic Power (dB-SPL/Hz at 1 m) BassBox 6 Pro
dB
108
102
96
90
84
78
72
66
5 Hz 10 50 100 500 1 K 5 K 10 K 20 K
anymore work on these designs?
Hi Guys,
I am going to bring back a pair of these from the States and I would like to build a simple design that could either pair with a sub or stand alone at fairly loud volume. Have you reached a design that you are satisfied with? If so, could you please share particulars?
Thanks.
Hi Guys,
I am going to bring back a pair of these from the States and I would like to build a simple design that could either pair with a sub or stand alone at fairly loud volume. Have you reached a design that you are satisfied with? If so, could you please share particulars?
Thanks.
Bamboo...
http://www.zillaspeak.com/Bamboo.asp
I have been enjoying mine. I stained the boxes last night and applied the first coat of poly...
I like their sound alot. But they sound better in the much larger pipe so i feel a different box can maximize performance.
Peace,
Godzilla
http://www.zillaspeak.com/Bamboo.asp
I have been enjoying mine. I stained the boxes last night and applied the first coat of poly...
I like their sound alot. But they sound better in the much larger pipe so i feel a different box can maximize performance.
Peace,
Godzilla
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