Treatments for reversing hearing loss

My tinnitus was caused by a JBL compression horn destroying itself about a foot away from my ear as the whole stage took off at about 7kHZ of uncontrolled feedback. Somebody powered up the PA with all volumes at maximum. JBL reckon 128dB SPL for more than 4 Seconds will destroy the horn, and my right ear! That was 25 years ago and I have lived with a 7kHZ whistle ever since.
Having ones ears syringed makes it worse!
 
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In the book ( Life Extension: A Scientific Approach ) an off label use of Hydergine was discussed. They claimed that when it was used at about 10x the standard dose it could reverse high frequency hearing loss but it took 6 months or longer to have this effect. But I sure don't know a DR. who would write a prescription like that let alone the about $300 a month it would cost !

I found that my hearing just stops at 5k in my left ear but is fine to about 15k in my right ear. But if I take 10mg of manganese every other day my high frequency hearing in my left ear returns in a few days. I hesitate to share this because this mineral can be toxic so am not actually recommending anyone try this I am just sharing my experience. And if I would just eat a healthy diet I could get that much manganese from my foods but I am a junk food junky!
 
In the book ( Life Extension: A Scientific Approach )

In the life extension crowd there is lots of interest in nootropics and off-label (and dangerous - ergoloid can cause ergotism) uses for drugs, doesn't seem very scientific to me.

Scientifically proven in model organisms (not people) is caloric restriction. Seems to trick the body into repairing itself.

Hearing loss is permanent, there used to be claims that blood pressure reduction and blood thinners or ginkgo biloba can help with tinnitus, but....
 
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The problem is the same as any other part of the body, namely the loss of flexibility.
This can be reversed but it is not easy.
As we age our hormones go out of balance.
Restoring the balance of our basic endocrinology system is the solution.
The restoring of testosterone, estrogen, adrenaline, cortisol, etc. is the solution.
Another problem is the lack of cholesterol.
All of these hormones and more start life as cholesterol.
Also, magnesium needs to be in the diet. At least 300mg.
And also the hormone ALDOSTERONE needs to be in balance.
 
John,
Sorry to here about your hearing loss. What is really worrying is that this feedback stuff happens when little children are around and it may affect their hearing.

"That was 25 years ago and I have lived with a 7kHZ whistle ever since."

Maybe there is a 'noise cancelling' device that can cancel your 7khZ?

I would think that after 'we' sent a man to the moon, we would have had some auto feedback detection and auto cuttout circuit by now. Why not? Would have save a lot of ears I mean why can't the amp be set to dectect the signature of a feedback level and then cut it out?
 
My hearing resembles most the second one from the left, top row, which is somewhat of a relief.

Common-audiograms - Hearing Aid Resource for Consumers

After a recent treatment with an ear issue I had, I found I could hear sounds in songs I never heard before. Expecially the sibilants - why on earth they engineered the mix to include sibilants is beyond me or could it be distortion?

Its those suble sounds that make the music immersive, I had the immersive expereince only recently. Amazing, you forget where you are in the song, what song it is, just the experience overwhelms you,

That was the reason for my starting the thread, concern about hearing loss, so it does not look too bad. Will keep you posted if I manage to improve it.

Thanks for the replies.
 
There is a treatment called "Tomatis Method" (Tomatis® Method, a listening program therapy | training course | find a provider) and it's based on the work of a Dr Tomatis, in Europe about 60 years ago and is available all around the world via alternative health providers generally - it's quite effective for many problems in the hearing system but particularly good for tinnitus, CPS and Miniere's

...for those people that are fed up with the conventional Dr & Audiologist (specialist) response that your hearing is not repairable - it is, to varying degrees, with treatment, diet, persistence, and an open mind.
 
John,
Sorry to here about your hearing loss. What is really worrying is that this feedback stuff happens when little children are around and it may affect their hearing.

"That was 25 years ago and I have lived with a 7kHZ whistle ever since."

Maybe there is a 'noise cancelling' device that can cancel your 7khZ?

I would think that after 'we' sent a man to the moon, we would have had some auto feedback detection and auto cuttout circuit by now. Why not? Would have save a lot of ears I mean why can't the amp be set to dectect the signature of a feedback level and then cut it out?

The problem is that there is no actual 7KHz sound.

The perception of sound is what is present and one can not cancel this with an audio tone.

Once the hair like structures in the cochlea are damaged, there is no reversing the damage. The hearing loss is not reversible, although there are treatments for tinnitus.
 
Thanks for all the replies, I know talking about alternative treatments is a sensitive subject, however a search in mainstream medical journals and the 'literature' will yield some solid support for various treatments. Keep searching.

What's ironic is that traditional medicine was mainstream at one point, and it got swamped by quick fix modern medication. Keep searching.

I have myself benefitted from herbal treatment for sinus problems.
 
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I have had tinnitus come and go... so you guys don't know what you're talking about.

Further more it has been demonstrated that direct supplementation of a bioactive version of I think NADH reverses hearing damage. It is not known or studied to show it works if treated days or longer after it's happened. If I recall correctly it may be required within a certain amount of hours after.

A lot of hearing loss is related to bad blood flow. Increasing that blood flow and treating the body well with fats it wants, while autophagy occurs, can certainly improve hearing. I myself have had my hearing go from superb to not that great, and back to good at least. As a child I had a lot of ear infections btw, but still scored an ability to very low frequencies beyond the average person.

My father on the other hand has only lost hearing after Vietnam. He doesn't know it but it has come and gone a little over the years for unknown reasons. The same speaking volume will get his attention and won't, over various periods or even moments over the years. He hasn't really done anything for his health and Crohn's has chiseled away at it over the years so his hearing is worse than it has to be.

Maybe one should be considering optimizing what they do have.
 
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Research

"Although food has classically been perceived as a means to provide energy and building material to the body, its ability to prevent and protect against diseases is starting to be recognized. In particular, research over the past 5 years has provided exciting evidence for the influence of dietary factors on specific molecular systems and mechanisms that maintain mental function. For instance, a diet that is rich in omega-3 fatty acids is garnering appreciation for supporting cognitive processes in humans1 and upregulating genes that are important for maintaining synaptic function and plasticity in rodents2. In turn, diets that are high in saturated fat are becoming notorious for reducing molecular substrates that support cognitive processing and increasing the risk of neurological dysfunction in both humans3 and animals4. Although these studies emphasize an important effect of food on the brain, further work is necessary to determine the mechanisms of action and the conditions for therapeutic applications in humans."

Brain foods: the effects of nutrients on brain function

http://www.audiologyonline.com/articles/20q-diet-and-hearing-evidence-11394

Also

"Thoughts on Diet and Hearing Loss
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March 12, 2014 Editorials
Opinion Editorial by Douglas L. Beck, AuD

Yes, it matters. You are what you eat. Really, there’s no room for debate. And yes, the quantity and quality of food you eat does appear to impact hearing (more on this in a few paragraphs). To be fair, one cannot pragmatically address diet in isolation from exercise, as calories consumed and calories expended are clearly related! Exercise matters a great deal, too, specifically with regard to cognitive ability and how the brain processes sound.
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http://www.audiology.org/news/thoughts-diet-and-hearing-loss

Hearing Loss and Tinnitus Life Extension Suggestions
Targeted Nutritional Therapies
http://www.lifeextension.com/protocols/eye-ear/tinnitus/page-07
 
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I read through that first study... and no where is there any conclusive evidence what so ever that Omega 3's are good. They group saturated and trans fats together so there's no way to know that they're the same or different.

Lately I've transitioned entirely off of any polyunsaturated fat (which basically means monounsaturated as well). My health isn't 100% what I'd like, but I don't feel like I'm dieing anymore. That is meant extremely literally, that I felt like I was slowly dieing with a diet high on Omega 3's, for a long time, and had stress levels that wouldn't go away. My insulin reception seemed to be fairly poor, digestion very weak, and a general inability to get enough of the nutrients I needed. I could go on for awhile. But what I didn't do was jump into eating high cholesterol all day, or the immune wrecking havoc of pork, or anything else that doesn't align with my IAP levels given my ABO such as lots of red meant (I only eat little bit of poultry).

You may find Ray Peat very interesting. Sadly I believe his tale is rather incomplete because of issues with the ABO, and weak supplementation recommendations.

What to eat for hearing? Depends whom you are. Methyl B12 certainly could not hurt - it's vastly superior to the other type that's common and can be entirely worthless for some people. Vitamin D (good source, not Centrum etc). But in general it's more complicated.
 
Currently, there are no treatments for sensorineural hearing loss - the main causes are ageing and noise exposure. Anyone who has tried to converse with someone who is hard of hearing in a noisy environment will know how difficult it makes communication. Noise induced hearing loss is cummulative - anything over 80dB (a noisy office) will potentially damage hearing. Protecting yourself from noise is all you can do. I use hearing protection religiously when I am doing anything noisy and carry a set of musician's earplugs for the cinema and concerts.

BTW, if your doctor is willing to prescribe ergoloid mesylates at 10x standard dose to treat your hearing loss, you need to find another doctor.
 
Noise induced hearing loss is cummulative - anything over 80dB (a noisy office) will potentially damage hearing.

Whatever speakers I am building I am aiming for 75db SPL at 1 metre for all evaluation and tuning.

There are two reasons - one is that I cannot hear important conversations or if anyone calls me, the other is hearing damage that is said to occur after 8 hours of 90Db.

OSHA guidelines:

TABLE G-16 - PERMISSIBLE NOISE EXPOSURES (1)
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Duration per day, hours | Sound level dBA slow response
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8...........................| 90
6...........................| 92
4...........................| 95
3...........................| 97
2...........................| 100
1 1/2 ......................| 102
1...........................| 105
1/2 ........................| 110
1/4 or less................| 115

https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&p_id=9735

The audio industry is more or less ignoring this aspect of health and safety?

I have given up listening on headphones, at most 60 minutes and then to tutorial videos or talk shows, not music. Hence the move to build some speakers which are much more fun anyway to build and experiment with.
 
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hearing loss

My hearing resembles most the second one from the left, top row, which is somewhat of a relief.

Common-audiograms - Hearing Aid Resource for Consumers

After a recent treatment with an ear issue I had, I found I could hear sounds in songs I never heard before. Expecially the sibilants - why on earth they engineered the mix to include sibilants is beyond me or could it be distortion?

Its those suble sounds that make the music immersive, I had the immersive expereince only recently. Amazing, you forget where you are in the song, what song it is, just the experience overwhelms you,

That was the reason for my starting the thread, concern about hearing loss, so it does not look too bad. Will keep you posted if I manage to improve it.

Thanks for the replies.

I also had hearing loss so I can relate to what you are saying. I am completely deaf in my right ear(just got the hearing aid adjustment last week). From my experience I would suggest you to check out for the best treatments ASAP. It is very difficult and frustrating experience to find a good audiologist. Maybe a hearing aid with a program tuned into it might help for to a great extent.