The Grand Dutch Service Manual Deposit

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Until such time as we acertain Philip's stance on the use of their copywritten material we have removed this thread from public view.

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jean-paul

diyAudio Moderator Emeritus
2002-09-20 7:20 am
Germany
Bricolo said:
what's the difference between giving it for free, and selling the cd?

ElectroPT is "giving" away material that was ALL manually scanned by Remco. The pdf files on the cdr are not original Philips PDF files ( if those existed at that time !? ). Remco charges the 20 Euro for the many hours of scanning labour and composing the cdr. Most of the material on the cdr is not obtainable from philips anymore so this particular cdr is of great value and it is a service to the DIY community. Everything was handscanned and quality is acceptable.

However one can not expect it to be perfect. If one wants perfection one should (have) buy (bought) the paper versions ( when they were still available ). I am not connected to Ultranalog in any way but I think we should be well informed in this.

If it would be original manufacturers PDF files it would be different. I have a lot of original PDF files from various manufacturers and I could not charge any money for them as I did not put any money or labour in them. I could pass them to other people as I did until recently but this particular action made me change my mind.
 
jean-paul said:
If it would be original manufacturers PDF files it would be different.

Even those can cost money, mainly service manuals.
I have the complete schematic of the Philips CD650.
The service manual included on that CD lacks several parts of the schematic, like the dac and the analog stage.:eek:
I can't figure out the value of this, but then...
 

jean-paul

diyAudio Moderator Emeritus
2002-09-20 7:20 am
Germany
One incomplete manual out of several complete manuals still makes for a cdr with value. Maybe he should have just omitted the cd650 manual as it is indeed incomplete. If cd650 is the one you are looking for I can understand some friction at the customers side ;) But I am sure there is a solution for that.
 
Planet 10,

It seems strange you are doing this, since you ofered to host the service manuals yourself....

Would you care to explain this?
Would the "others" let you?

If you get Philips to contact you about the copyrighted material please CC it to me and please delete my posts, I will not post anymore about the subject.

Until then please reopen this thread for the public.


Jean-Paul,

I have boght the CD from remco, and after discussing the issue with him he did not seemed helpfull in any way. Since I have paid for it and is now as mine as it is Remco's I do with it as I please.

Please stop this prossecution and censureship!

You are a moderator, and moderators must be neutral!

The site I have created is work in progress, if you feel you cant benefit from it others do.

Cheers

PS: Prior doing this I have discussed with some one about the subject, even If we didnt see eye to eye in some aspects, I tried to seek and understand someone else's persepctive about all this. I'm not a dishonest person, its all without profit!
 
I just ordered 2 CD's with the complete Maison de L'Audiophile articles from 77 and up, from someone who took the effort to scan all that stuff.
I can not imagine anyone from the old French crew objecting to that, so why should the Eindhoven blokes do, its good advertising of the brand.

I just realised i am surrounded by Philips labels.
Even my audio-labor table is former Philips laboratory equipment, my variac has the Philips logo, the scope.
When i try to relax, go down to the living and switch on the tv, its also Philips everywhere staring at me.
Help ! :clown:

Poco feito, ElectroPt :smash:
 
jacco vermeulen said:
I can not imagine anyone from the old French crew objecting to that, so why should the Eindhoven blokes do, its good advertising of the brand.

Indeed.
I would (and do) recommend anyone to buy Philips gear, as you can get a schematic or SM (paying or not), parts are easy to get, etc.
On the opposite side, I say to everyone: stay clear or Yamaha gear. I can't even get a datasheet from a dac chip. A SM would be a dream.:xeye:

jacco vermeulen said:
I just realised i am surrounded by Philips labels.
Even my audio-labor table is former Philips laboratory equipment, my variac has the Philips logo, the scope.
When i try to relax, go down to the living and switch on the tv, its also Philips everywhere staring at me.
Help ! :clown:

Hey, I'm surronded by Philips gear too.:cool:
TV-sets, CDPs, small radios, I also buy and use Philips parts...:bawling:

Now this goes to the moderators:
Let me say that when I first saw electropt's thread in Texas I didn't understand what happened.
The moderators should have posted the reason for moving the thread to Texas.
Either we agree with the reasons or not, an explanation was in order.
This second thread and this discussion would be avoided.
Please treat the members with respect. They make the forum.
Without posts, there's no forum.
 
It is Philips copyright ,,, if they object to electropt's putting the files up on the internet they will probably object to Remco scanning them & redistributing them.

Personally i think it is a good idea to have service manuals -- especially on old stuff -- freely avaolable so that the gear can live on. I think this can only help the companies who's gear still remains viable.

But we walk a tight rope here and diyAudio does not to get on the wrong side of a giant like Philips.

dave
 
SY said:
Carlos, our policy about copyright is quite clear. Philips is the copyright holder and has not yet given permission for reproduction. What is unclear about this?

SY, this post of yours would be perfect as a last post of the original threat that was moved to Texas.
Done.

Even if I don't understand why the CD is discussed and recommended on this forum, as it has copyrighted material and it was sold for $20(?) each.
I suppose that if electropt asked money for members to get access to his page it would be ok, then?
Everybody makes money with the Philips brand.
Those who don't, Texas they go.:rolleyes:
 
carlosfm said:
Now this goes to the moderators:
Let me say that when I first saw electropt's thread in Texas I didn't understand what happened.
The moderators should have posted the reason for moving the thread to Texas.

The other thread was moved to Texas only after i had contacted electropt and he made it clear that that repository had been cut-off and that the thread was essentially dead. It went to Texas because i didn't want it to completely disappear.

As to electropt's question about my offer to host, i have a number of service manuals with no copyright... as soon as i would have seen the Philips copyright on the 1st manual i would no longer be willing to host without formal approval from the copyright holder.

dave
 
planet10 said:


The other thread was moved to Texas only after i had contacted electropt and he made it clear that that repository had been cut-off and that the thread was essentially dead. It went to Texas because i didn't want it to completely disappear.

As to electropt's question about my offer to host, i have a number of service manuals with no copyright... as soon as i would have seen the Philips copyright on the 1st manual i would no longer be willing to host without formal approval from the copyright holder.

dave

I take my hat off! You got out of this one in a very slick and easy way. :D

SY,

Please remind me of the policy of diyaudio about copyright. You can even be more specific and refer to this precise case. What was wrong to start with?

Thanks.

Cheers.
 
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