The 15 Song Album collection:

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The 80s (Any song released between Jan 1, 1980 and Dec 31, 1989)

01 - When The World Is Running Down - The Police
02 - Cool World - Mondo Rock
03 - Don't Stand So Close to Me - The Police
04 - Architecture, Morality, Ted And Alice - Half Man Half Biscuit
05 - Ashes to Ashes - David Bowie
06 - Chain Reaction - Diana Ross
07 - Errol - Australian Crawl
08 - Underpass - John Foxx
09 - So Far Away - Dire Straits
10 - Jump - Van Halen
 
01 - When The World Is Running Down - The Police
02 - Cool World - Mondo Rock
03 - Don't Stand So Close to Me - The Police
04 - Architecture, Morality, Ted And Alice - Half Man Half Biscuit
05 - Ashes to Ashes - David Bowie
06 - Chain Reaction - Diana Ross
07 - Errol - Australian Crawl
08 - Underpass - John Foxx
09 - So Far Away - Dire Straits
10 - Jump - Van Halen
11 - Kraftwerk - Tour de France
 
80-81 - 1
81-82 - 2
82-83 - 3
83-84 - 4
84-85 - 5
85-86 - 6
86-87 - 7
87-88 - 8
88-89 - 9
89-90 - 10

Reviewing the basis of this particular discussion, I believe the hair splitting is in drewburn's favor.
You misquoted, intentionally or not:
The 80s (Any song released between Jan 1, 1980 and Dec 31, 1989)
Probably splitting hairs but technically the 80s range from 1st of January 1981 until 31st of December 1990 because there was no Year 0.


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If I may suggest a means of recompence, the fine should be that you post a tune per the accordance of the thread. :D
 
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01 - When The World Is Running Down - The Police
02 - Cool World - Mondo Rock
03 - Don't Stand So Close to Me - The Police
04 - Architecture, Morality, Ted And Alice - Half Man Half Biscuit
05 - Ashes to Ashes - David Bowie
06 - Chain Reaction - Diana Ross
07 - Errol - Australian Crawl
08 - Underpass - John Foxx
09 - So Far Away - Dire Straits
10 - Jump - Van Halen
11 - Kraftwerk - Tour de France
12 - The Spirit Of Radio - Rush
 
80-81 - 1
81-82 - 2
82-83 - 3
83-84 - 4
84-85 - 5
85-86 - 6
86-87 - 7
87-88 - 8
88-89 - 9
89-90 - 10

Reviewing the basis of this particular discussion, I believe the hair splitting is in drewburn's favor.
You misquoted, intentionally or not:




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If I may suggest a means of recompence, the fine should be that you post a tune per the accordance of the thread. :D
To continue a pointless discussion, although Charles Darwin is seriously hair splitting, I would say he's right.
Because there was no 0AD, the decade started at 1AD and ended at 10AD. The next decade started on 11AD
So strictly speaking, a new decade, starts at 1
So your listing should read:

81-82 - 1
82-83 - 2
83-84 - 3
84-85 - 4
85-86 - 5
86-87 - 6
87-88 - 7
88-89 - 8
89-90 - 9
90-91 - 10

Unless, of course, as has already been mentioned, the first decade AD is taken as only having nine years.

The same argument was going around at the millennium, there being a large and noisy minority saying it should be celebrated on 1/1/2001

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Of course I'm not suggesting this topic should be from 81 to 91, the 80's in my world go from 1/1/80 to 31/12/89. As I'm sure the decade is also viewed by Charles Darwin.
 
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01 - When The World Is Running Down - The Police
02 - Cool World - Mondo Rock
03 - Don't Stand So Close to Me - The Police
04 - Architecture, Morality, Ted And Alice - Half Man Half Biscuit
05 - Ashes to Ashes - David Bowie
06 - Chain Reaction - Diana Ross
07 - Errol - Australian Crawl
08 - Underpass - John Foxx
09 - So Far Away - Dire Straits
10 - Jump - Van Halen
11 - Kraftwerk - Tour de France
12 - The Spirit Of Radio - Rush
13 - Avalon - Roxy Music
 
To continue a pointless discussion, although Charles Darwin is seriously hair splitting, I would say he's right.
Because there was no 0AD, the decade started at 1AD and ended at 10AD. The next decade started on 11AD
So strictly speaking, a new decade, starts at 1
So your listing should read:

81-82 - 1
82-83 - 2
83-84 - 3
84-85 - 4
85-86 - 5
86-87 - 6
87-88 - 7
88-89 - 8
89-90 - 9
90-91 - 10

Unless, of course, as has already been mentioned, the first decade AD is taken as only having nine years.

The same argument was going around at the millennium, there being a large and noisy minority saying it should be celebrated on 1/1/2001

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Of course I'm not suggesting this topic should be from 81 to 91, the 80's in my world go from 1/1/80 to 31/12/89. As I'm sure the decade is also viewed by Charles Darwin.
On the premises of continuing a completely pointless discussion that may possibly evolve into the actual splitting of hairs... :D

I respectfully disagree: To count 1 whole year, that year has to actually pass before counting, since we have largely adopted the decimal system as standard, as well as a lot of different crutches and dodgy supports for a inherently flawed calendar system that have been revised on a number of ocassions.

IE 1981 was a full year after 1980 started, you have to look at "time passed", after 9 years and the 365th day is up ten years have passed, or are you not counting 1980? The premises of discussion was:
The 80s (Any song released between Jan 1, 1980 and Dec 31, 1989)
Clearly specified, no mention in regards to the philosophical discussion whether or not there was a year 0. That period specified lasts for ten years, our way of depicting most things in numbers have evolved away from things such as archaic methods of measurement that was different for just about every single country despite having similar names.

The Roman Numerals did not use any sensible way of depicting the value "0", and that became common only after Dionysius Exiguus actually managed to introduce a standard point in time for properly referencing which year it was. And that was finally (for the most part) incorporated as the standard several hundred years later...

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Since it is clear that 1 BC and 1 AD do not have a 0 between them I will stick my head out and say that 1 BC = year 0. This also agrees with general consensus from people more clever than me.
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For me the 80's was the first decade in which I disliked more "popular" music than I liked.
Same here, due to several reasons:

  • Punk had swamped the music industry in the 2nd half of the seventies, leading to a general decline in musical standard, especially in comparison with ambitious genres like prog rock.
  • Led by the Yamaha DX70, polyphonic synthesizers became available for almost anybody, allowing to cut down production costs even more.

Hence I also won't contribute to this theme.

Best regards!
 
On the premises of continuing a completely pointless discussion that may possibly evolve into the actual splitting of hairs... :D

I respectfully disagree: To count 1 whole year, that year has to actually pass before counting, since we have largely adopted the decimal system as standard, as well as a lot of different crutches and dodgy supports for a inherently flawed calendar system that have been revised on a number of occasions.

IE 1981 was a full year after 1980 started, you have to look at "time passed", after 9 years and the 365th day is up ten years have passed, or are you not counting 1980? The premises of discussion was:

Clearly specified, no mention in regards to the philosophical discussion whether or not there was a year 0. That period specified lasts for ten years, our way of depicting most things in numbers have evolved away from things such as archaic methods of measurement that was different for just about every single country despite having similar names.

The Roman Numerals did not use any sensible way of depicting the value "0", and that became common only after Dionysius Exiguus actually managed to introduce a standard point in time for properly referencing which year it was. And that was finally (for the most part) incorporated as the standard several hundred years later...

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Since it is clear that 1 BC and 1 AD do not have a 0 between them I will stick my head out and say that 1 BC = year 0. This also agrees with general consensus from people more clever than me.
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I don't disagree with most of that, and Astro Zon made it quite clear what the criteria for the subject was. I'm not disputing that, and I'm sure CD wasn't.
I'm saying that with the calendar we use, and the Gregorian one before that, there was no year 0 AD so there cannot be a new century on a year ending with a zero, and by the same criteria there cannot be a new decade ending with zero.
The year 2000 is not 2000 years after 1 AD, it is 1999 years. 2001 is 2000 years after 1.
So if a new century starts on 1/1 xxx1, a new decade must start in 1/1/xxx1

You said and I quote:

"IE 1981 was a full year after 1980 started, you have to look at "time passed", after 9 years and the 365th day is up ten years have passed, or are you not counting 1980?"

Obviously I'm not counting 1980, because as a new decade can only begin in a year ending in a one, 1980 is strictly speaking the last year of the previous decade.

As previously stated, this is all pretty academic, because in the real world everyone regards a decade as the ten years that have the same third number.

The fact that the calendar(s) have been messed with over the years, and the fact that the Romans had no zero are totally irrelevant.
The only thing that is relevant is that when the Gregorian calendar was devised it had no year zero, which also applies to the Julian calendar we use now.

The fact that astronomical years and ISO8601 use 1BC as zero is also irrelevant, as one is a specialised technical calender not in general use, the other a standard. Both devised for a purpose, to bring AD dates into line with the numbering system used, And in robbing Peter to pay Paul they have merely put BC century and decades forward from one to two years.
 
The fact that the calendar(s) have been messed with over the years, and the fact that the Romans had no zero are totally irrelevant.
The only thing that is relevant is that when the Gregorian calendar was devised it had no year zero, which also applies to the Julian calendar we use now.
The Julian Calendar was considered inaccurate since before AD, and the Roman Numerals having no Zero until after year 700 is exactly on point, if they acknowlegded 0 they would have used it.
The fact that astronomical years and ISO8601 use 1BC as zero is also irrelevant, as one is a specialised technical calender not in general use, the other a standard.
I see no mention of BC or AD in Charles Darwin's original post, and me being an agnostic through and through, assumed we where talking modern standards and not using outdated and inaccurate methodologies based on something as un-universal as religion. You do realize that we'll enter the forbidden topic of religion if we keep this up, yeah?

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Naturally, I assume you can understand my viewpoint that something as basic as measurement of time should not be restricted by a particular religion, since no religion should be superior to another religion, that would also make all the other calendars based on other religions equally valid.
Are we going down the forbidden path of discussing religion in a thread about music from the 80's?

I dare you! :D

Edited on my phone, probably typo's abound.
 
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I would certainly describe myself as agnostic too.
I don't think anything should be restricted by any religion, but that's beside the point.

Religion only comes into it insomuch as the calendar we use now (by the way, I got my Julien and Gregorian's the wrong way round in my last post) is based on the supposed birthdate of Christ.

That's how the calendar we generally use now was devised, and there is no year zero, it starts with year one.
So any new century or decade being 100 or 10 year intervals must necessarily be a year one.

As I said before, it's all pretty academic really, as it doesn't affect anything, we still all celebrate new centuries and decades when nine changes to zero.

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Charles Darwin's original post certainly doesn't mention AD or BC, but yours did.
 
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01 - When The World Is Running Down - The Police
02 - Cool World - Mondo Rock
03 - Don't Stand So Close to Me - The Police
04 - Architecture, Morality, Ted And Alice - Half Man Half Biscuit
05 - Ashes to Ashes - David Bowie
06 - Chain Reaction - Diana Ross
07 - Errol - Australian Crawl
08 - Underpass - John Foxx
09 - So Far Away - Dire Straits
10 - Jump - Van Halen
11 - Kraftwerk - Tour de France
12 - The Spirit Of Radio - Rush
13 - Avalon - Roxy Music

14 - The Final Countdown - Europe