• WARNING: Tube/Valve amplifiers use potentially LETHAL HIGH VOLTAGES.
    Building, troubleshooting and testing of these amplifiers should only be
    performed by someone who is thoroughly familiar with
    the safety precautions around high voltages.

Stereo class A 6+6W - 2x 6L6G 1 x 6N2P

Jump to Latest
P

pilovis

Member
2012-01-02 9:33 am
Nizza Monferrato - Italy
  • #1
    Stereo class A Ultralinear 6+6W - 2x 6L6G + 1x 6N2P

    Schematic:

    6l610.jpg


    Line transformer output = 250 Vac 0.3A - 6.3 Vac 3A
    Diode bridge = 4 x 1N4007
    Filter Cap = 2 x 100 uF 385 V
    Plate voltage of 6L6G = 290 Vcc (plate <> cathode)
    Grid #2 voltage of 6L6G = 240 Vcc (grid2 <> cathode)
    Bias current of 6L6G = 44 mA (17.2 V @ 390 ohm 2W self bias resistor)
    Audio output transformers = 3Kohm/8ohm, Grid #2 connection @ 43% of primary winding (ultralinear).

    note:
    6N2P =6AX7 = ECC41 = 6h2n
    6N2P, 6N2PEV (6H2n, 6H2n-EB)

    You can try out 6N1P = ECC88 instead of 6N2P (with less gain)
    6N1P, 6N1PVI, 6N1PEV (6H1n, 6H1nBN, 6H1nEB)

    6L6 = 6L6G = 6L6GT
    http://hvid.it/datasheets/6L6 RCA.pdf

    6l6g12.jpg


    Youtube video:

    Stereo Hi-Fi Tube amplifier 6L6G - YouTube
     
    Last edited:
    TheGimp

    TheGimp

    Member
    2009-08-05 12:56 am
    Johnson City, TN
  • #7
    Input Caps. They block DC from upsetting the bias on a stage. It wont destroy your input stage as it is current limited by the anode resistor.

    An example of a stage that could result in anode over-dissipation would be a choke loaded input stage. If a DC bias shift occurred, the DC resistance of the choke might not be enough to limit the anode current. This could result in destruction of the tube due to excessive anode dissipation.

    Grid-stop resistors help prevent pickup of RFI from radio stations, TV, etc but this is not a potential damaging source for the tube or circuit. Only causes distortion.
     
    kevinkr

    kevinkr

    Administrator
    Paid Member
    2004-09-14 4:09 am
    Boston, Massachusetts
    www.kta-hifi.net
  • #10
    pilovis said:
    What about a short circuit on the driver between anode and grid?
    It could inject High Voltage on the preamplifier output stage, I suppose. :eek:
    Click to expand...

    The source impedance is usually quite high in the event of a grid to plate short except in the case of IT or choke coupling where some serious mischief could occur. I've never seen a grid to plate short in any small signal triode or pentode to date - this does not mean it can't happen. The transformer coupled output circuitry in my line stage cannot be damaged by quite large voltages as long as the current is limited (it is) - if you are using solid state gear I would recommend fitting a higher voltage output cap - this will take care of the issue without requiring an additional part in the signal path.
     
    ruffrecords

    ruffrecords

    Member
    2007-06-20 7:56 pm
    Holt, Norfolk
    www.customtubeconsoles.com
  • #11
    rongon

    rongon

    Member
    Paid Member
    2009-07-04 12:38 am
    Across the river from Rip's big old tree...
  • #13
    I think I have a quibble, but I hope it's unfounded.

    The 6N2P is very similar to a 12AX7, but with a 6.3V heater, correct?

    If so, isn't a 47k anode resistor way too low of a value for low distortion? The datasheet gives mu = 100, gm = 2.1mA/V. Knowing that, the 6N2P anode resistance would be in the vicinity of 50k, no? If that's right, then the anode resistors should be at least 100k ohms, if I'm not mistaken. (Which I could be!)

    --
     
    C

    costis_n

    Member
    2008-08-01 1:18 am
  • #14
    rongon said:
    I think I have a quibble, but I hope it's unfounded.

    The 6N2P is very similar to a 12AX7, but with a 6.3V heater, correct?

    If so, isn't a 47k anode resistor way too low of a value for low distortion? The datasheet gives mu = 100, gm = 2.1mA/V. Knowing that, the 6N2P anode resistance would be in the vicinity of 50k, no? If that's right, then the anode resistors should be at least 100k ohms, if I'm not mistaken. (Which I could be!)

    --
    Click to expand...

    That is correct. My guess was that there was too much gain with a 100K anode resistor in this circuit. (and no global feedback). For example Abdellah circuit uses 6N1P in this place, it has a lower gain.
     
    rongon

    rongon

    Member
    Paid Member
    2009-07-04 12:38 am
    Across the river from Rip's big old tree...
  • #15
    OK, I see.

    First, a UL (distributed load) output stage will still make more THD than a triode output stage, and I would think you'd want some negative feedback (NFB) around it to make it sound acceptable.

    Therefore, the "excess" gain from the 6N1P with 100k plate resistor could be put to good use as global NFB, from the output transformer output to the cathode of the 6N1P.

    Or maybe use local plate feedback around the 6L6 instead?

    --
     
    P

    pilovis

    Member
    2012-01-02 9:33 am
    Nizza Monferrato - Italy
  • #16
    rongon said:
    OK, I see.

    First, a UL (distributed load) output stage will still make more THD than a triode output stage, and I would think you'd want some negative feedback (NFB) around it to make it sound acceptable.

    Therefore, the "excess" gain from the 6N1P with 100k plate resistor could be put to good use as global NFB, from the output transformer output to the cathode of the 6N1P.

    Or maybe use local plate feedback around the 6L6 instead?

    --
    Click to expand...

    Onestly I don't like negative feedback sound :mad:, it seems too "flat" for my hears :).

    I prefere having no feedback at all, but this is just a personal opinion.

    With 100K plate the gain of 6N2P is too high.
     
    You must log in or register to reply here.
    Top Bottom