Hi, first post here. This is a celestion V30 speaker that is common in guitar speaker cabinets - an example of what the impulse response will be played through what I’m looking for explained below
This is going to be strange for most of you.
To put into simple terms, I’m looking for a set of speakers to take place of something like this
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Laney-LFR-212-Full-Range-Flat-Response-Active-Cabinet-Black/771551015
Those Laney speakers would do the job, but if I’m going to spend that money, I want the speakers to have use-age otherwise, too for audio work in general and listening. May as well be stereo. I will want these speakers to adapt to different needs like a “B” set of monitors for my studio
This is a trend in the guitar players world out there today. They call it FRFR: Full Range Flat Response.
Basically mic’d guitar speaker cabinet is turned into an impulse response, then played through “monitors” be that studio monitors, PA speakers, or these FRFR speakers, that are kind of a gimmick in my eye.
I will be using them to monitor guitar playing. Guitar speakers frequency response is as such (see picture of graph of Celestion V30 speaker)
Notice it drops off above 5K: the beaming issue is a bit different with electric guitar speakers 🙂
Whichever speakers I go with, they will have to be point source - either coaxial/dual concentric OR better to match a guitar speaker cab: single driver speaker. Needs to have good horizontal and vertical directivity.
Important: there can’t be any DSP unless the delay is under 1 ms
Speakers I’ve looked at so far
DMAX super cube 5: these would be great but the DSP is 7 ms latency
MOFI sourcepoint 10: these are probably the best option so far, as they have the physical aesthetic that is close to a guitar speaker, but they are too expensive also needing an amp.
GR-research LGK 2.1: these might work. Crossing over below 200 hz is acceptable. Getting 4 of these and making a wall of sound could be fun. Horrible horizontal directivity though
Aura-tones and other cube speakers would be a last resort
Geithain RL906 is an exception because it’s not a full range speaker, but it would perform like one and it would be useful for many tasks. They are active an have an amp… about the top of the budget
This is going to be strange for most of you.
To put into simple terms, I’m looking for a set of speakers to take place of something like this
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Laney-LFR-212-Full-Range-Flat-Response-Active-Cabinet-Black/771551015
Those Laney speakers would do the job, but if I’m going to spend that money, I want the speakers to have use-age otherwise, too for audio work in general and listening. May as well be stereo. I will want these speakers to adapt to different needs like a “B” set of monitors for my studio
This is a trend in the guitar players world out there today. They call it FRFR: Full Range Flat Response.
Basically mic’d guitar speaker cabinet is turned into an impulse response, then played through “monitors” be that studio monitors, PA speakers, or these FRFR speakers, that are kind of a gimmick in my eye.
I will be using them to monitor guitar playing. Guitar speakers frequency response is as such (see picture of graph of Celestion V30 speaker)
Notice it drops off above 5K: the beaming issue is a bit different with electric guitar speakers 🙂
Whichever speakers I go with, they will have to be point source - either coaxial/dual concentric OR better to match a guitar speaker cab: single driver speaker. Needs to have good horizontal and vertical directivity.
Important: there can’t be any DSP unless the delay is under 1 ms
Speakers I’ve looked at so far
DMAX super cube 5: these would be great but the DSP is 7 ms latency
MOFI sourcepoint 10: these are probably the best option so far, as they have the physical aesthetic that is close to a guitar speaker, but they are too expensive also needing an amp.
GR-research LGK 2.1: these might work. Crossing over below 200 hz is acceptable. Getting 4 of these and making a wall of sound could be fun. Horrible horizontal directivity though
Aura-tones and other cube speakers would be a last resort
Geithain RL906 is an exception because it’s not a full range speaker, but it would perform like one and it would be useful for many tasks. They are active an have an amp… about the top of the budget
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Here's the sum of my knowledge:
With the increasing popularity of guitar cab simulator pedals, the speaker cab which reproduces an emulation should have no character of its own.
The days of individually voiced loudspeaker cabinets may be numbered. They are already being replaced by Full Range, Flat Response (FRFR) loudspeaker designs.
Soon, the only guitar speaker frequency response curve that may concern us is a flat one!
I don't think it will go that fast, people still use very old designs for a reason and a lot want to stay full analog, no digital effects at all. But a part will go that way.
To answer the question of the OP, your best bet in the 12" range will probally be the Fane Sovereign 12-250TC or the Beyma 12GA50 in a custom cabinet. Not many fullranges that size are availeble and they are mostly not flat in frequency response. But those are best in the guitar frequency passband and relative flat over the full range. For amps, if you don't need colouration from it, a good class D can do the job and be lightweight. I would take a pa amp for live purpose (for durability) altough, like a crown XLi series. Most hifi amps are not build for the wear or tear of the road and will break down fast.
To answer the question of the OP, your best bet in the 12" range will probally be the Fane Sovereign 12-250TC or the Beyma 12GA50 in a custom cabinet. Not many fullranges that size are availeble and they are mostly not flat in frequency response. But those are best in the guitar frequency passband and relative flat over the full range. For amps, if you don't need colouration from it, a good class D can do the job and be lightweight. I would take a pa amp for live purpose (for durability) altough, like a crown XLi series. Most hifi amps are not build for the wear or tear of the road and will break down fast.
Thanks for the replies. Yes, getting the most neutral sound is of course the most ideal, but not critical in this case - I may as well get speakers that can have more than one trick though.
This will be for just the studio room in a near field environment. Because using IR’s require conversion and processing, 3 ms latency is typical. Every foot adds another ms of latency, so it’s either nearfield or headphones for me and headphones are just bad news for your hearing when a click track is continuously going.
Getting a full size 12” would be cool, but I don’t know if I could gather near field.
That being said, I have been down quite the rabbit trail and KEF r11’s are for a good price right now. I’m assuming those can be used nearfield because of the coaxial midrange/tweeter. The lows cross over at 400 hz. I think they would give off an impression of a wall of sound too
This will be for just the studio room in a near field environment. Because using IR’s require conversion and processing, 3 ms latency is typical. Every foot adds another ms of latency, so it’s either nearfield or headphones for me and headphones are just bad news for your hearing when a click track is continuously going.
Getting a full size 12” would be cool, but I don’t know if I could gather near field.
That being said, I have been down quite the rabbit trail and KEF r11’s are for a good price right now. I’m assuming those can be used nearfield because of the coaxial midrange/tweeter. The lows cross over at 400 hz. I think they would give off an impression of a wall of sound too